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Baby Lee 10-22-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10114945)
Most chief fans were thrilled with the trades for Bono, Grbac, and Cassel as well. 2 years later, the boos coming from arrowhead were deafening. Hope alex gets his shit together like you nut-huggers are saying he will.

I think you are overstating it quite a bit.

Bono was a meh move for a team that was content to let the D carry the load. He was a step above DeBerg and Krieg, but a big step down from Montana, who we wished would have given us a season or two more.

Grbac was a good quarterback who had the skills to be one of the better quarterbacks the franchise ever had, but he never matured into a professional adult person. He was our Jeff George, our Ryan Leaf. $100M arm, $.10 brain.

Cassel was hot garbage from the get, even the few people that had any optimism in him knew we paid him way too much for too long of a contract. For myself, there was not one minute where I had so much as a toe on the Cassel bandwagon, MicroMachine that it was.

ChiefsCountry 10-22-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 10114974)
As opposed to the mid-90s?

cough Sarcasm cough

Bearcat 10-22-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10114981)
cough Sarcasm cough

That crossed my mind, but wasn't sure if he was just referring to 2010... not really used to any kind of intelligence in this thread, so I kind of turn the sarcasm detector off.

DeezNutz 10-22-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10114979)
I think you are overstating it quite a bit.

Bono was a meh move for a team that was content to let the D carry the load. He was a step above DeBerg and Krieg, but a big step down from Montana, who we wished would have given us a season or two more.

Grbac was a good quarterback who had the skills to be one of the better quarterbacks the franchise ever had, but he never matured into a professional adult person. He was our Jeff George, our Ryan Leaf. $100M arm, $.10 brain.

Cassel was hot garbage from the get, even the few people that had any optimism in him knew we paid him way too much for too long of a contract. For myself, there was not one minute where I had so much as a toe on the Cassel bandwagon, MicroMachine that it was.

Is this not Alex ****ing Smith? The same QB who "puts his D in good positions"?

Mav 10-22-2013 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 10115041)
Is this not Alex ****ing Smith? The same QB who "puts his D in good positions"?

Good luck arguing that point successfully.

I think that argument is beyond dead at this point. he clearly puts the defense in better positions.

This is a MANS defense.

Mr. Plow 10-22-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10115072)
Good luck arguing that point successfully.

I think that argument is beyond dead at this point. he clearly puts the defense in better positions.

This is a MANS defense.

Clearly this team is completely different from any of the Chiefs teams of the 90's.

DeezNutz 10-22-2013 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10115072)
Good luck arguing that point successfully.

I think that argument is beyond dead at this point. he clearly puts the defense in better positions.

This is a MANS defense.

Yep. Put them in a great position at the end of the last game. Perfect. Exactly where we wanted to be.

With the game on the line, the offense put the ball in Alex Smith's modestly capable hands, and he came up small. On several occasions.

Mav 10-22-2013 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 10115076)
Yep. Put them in a great position at the end of the last game. Perfect. Exactly where we wanted to be.

With the game on the line, the offense put the ball in Alex Smith's modestly capable hands, and he came up small. On several occasions.

That doesn't happen to every qb every year?

That happened ONE time this year, how many times has the opposite been true?

It happens. I guess the elite qb that Alex Smith is (sark mark) isn't allowed a mistake. Elite qbs don't make them.

Mav 10-22-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 10115074)
Clearly this team is completely different from any of the Chiefs teams of the 90's.

I would never insult any Chiefs fan by pretending that I knew anything about the Chiefs in the 90's other than what I knew from Tecmo Super Bowl.

Im an arrogant prick, but im not that arrogant.

Simply Red 10-22-2013 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 10115074)
Clearly this team is completely different from any of the Chiefs teams of the 90's.

knotted at 22

Baby Lee 10-22-2013 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 10115041)
Is this not Alex ****ing Smith? The same QB who "puts his D in good positions"?

I don't think so. Smith is smarter, more athletic, more savvy, and more composed than Bono. And I think he has a chance to come closer to Montana than a lot of people realize.

People romanticize Montana, and rightfully so for the many great things he did. But he wasn't immune to putrid outings.

Thing was, he was clutch. He and Elway had a knack for throwing a hot mess out there on the field, until it came time to buckle the belt and bear down.

Go back and watch, the playoff game against the Oilers, really watch. I'd submit that if Alex Smith had played the EXACT same game against Houston yesterday that Montana did against old Houston in 1993, we'd have the same moaning about winning despite the QB we have now. We remember the couple of great passes and spiking the Buddy Ryan poster, but he was overthrowing and underthrowing and taking sacks like a mug for much of the game.

I've said since he signed that my expectation of Alex is that he be CLUTCH, not eye popping, not stats padding, not gunslinging, but solid as Matco when the game is on the line.

Sucks for me, because I won't know if I'm ultimately wrong or right about him until the same time all the naysayers learn the same, the playoffs when it's one and done. But knowing that I try to refrain from harping on it day in, day out, like the naysaying dicksucks around here. I just enjoy what I see, and store up evidence that he seems consistently capable of meeting the metrics I have for him.

Chiefspants 10-22-2013 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10114979)
I think you are overstating it quite a bit.

Bono was a meh move for a team that was content to let the D carry the load. He was a step above DeBerg and Krieg, but a big step down from Montana, who we wished would have given us a season or two more.

Grbac was a good quarterback who had the skills to be one of the better quarterbacks the franchise ever had, but he never matured into a professional adult person. He was our Jeff George, our Ryan Leaf. $100M arm, $.10 brain.

Cassel was hot garbage from the get, even the few people that had any optimism in him knew we paid him way too much for too long of a contract. For myself, there was not one minute where I had so much as a toe on the Cassel bandwagon, MicroMachine that it was.

God...Montana with the 95' Defense.

DeezNutz 10-22-2013 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10115078)
That doesn't happen to every qb every year?

That happened ONE time this year, how many times has the opposite been true?

It happens. I guess the elite qb that Alex Smith is (sark mark) isn't allowed a mistake. Elite qbs don't make them.

One time? If 2013 Alex Smith is how we're defining above average QB play for the Chiefs, this fanbase is going to be happy for a long, long time.

He's been average. At best. From my perspective, he's been a big liability.

DeezNutz 10-22-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10115087)
I don't think so. Smith is smarter, more athletic, more savvy, and more composed than Bono. And I think he has a chance to come closer to Montana than a lot of people realize.

People romanticize Montana, and rightfully so for the many great things he did. But he wasn't immune to putrid outings.

Thing was, he was clutch. He and Elway had a knack for throwing a hot mess out there on the field, until it came time to buckle the belt and bear down.

Go back and watch, the playoff game against the Oilers, really watch. I'd submit that if Alex Smith had played the EXACT same game against Houston yesterday that Montana did against old Houston in 1993, we'd have the same moaning about winning despite the QB we have now. We remember the couple of great passes and spiking the Buddy Ryan poster, but he was overthrowing and underthrowing and taking sacks like a mug for much of the game.

I've said since he signed that my expectation of Alex is that he be CLUTCH, not eye popping, not stats padding, not gunslinging, but solid as Matco when the game is on the line.

Sucks for me, because I won't know if I'm ultimately wrong or right about him until the same time all the naysayers learn the same, the playoffs when it's one and done. But knowing that I try to refrain from harping on it day in, day out, like the naysaying dicksucks around here. I just enjoy what I see, and store up evidence that he seems consistently capable of meeting the metrics I have for him.

OK, this is fair. I won't flip you shit, and we'll see how this thing plays out.

Mav 10-22-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 10115096)
One time? If 2013 Alex Smith is how we're defining above average QB play for the Chiefs, this fanbase is going to be happy for a long, long time.

He's been average. At best. From my perspective, he's been a big liability.

You see my sig?

You will get no argument from me.

Im just stating that regardless of what people want to say about him, something about him being the qb translates to whatever TEAM he is on having a dominant defense the past three years.

it defies logic, but it is what it is.


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