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RunKC 06-25-2013 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9776012)
IMO, there are less question marks on this team since 1997.

They're loaded defensively, they have an accurate WCO QB, the league's best running back, a solid if not spectacular offensive line, weapons at TE, a true franchise WR and so on. They have the best coaching staff since 1993, IMO.

I don't think they'll click on all cylinders from Day One but by Week Eight, barring catastrophic injuries, this team should be in sync and rolling.

I agree. I just think people are holding off on expecting something because we always think we can be good and our dreams get shattered, especially the last 2 years.

O.city 06-25-2013 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9776012)
IMO, there are less question marks on this team since 1997.

They're loaded defensively, they have an accurate WCO QB, the league's best running back, a solid if not spectacular offensive line, weapons at TE, a true franchise WR and so on. They have the best coaching staff since 1993, IMO.

I don't think they'll click on all cylinders from Day One but by Week Eight, barring catastrophic injuries, this team should be in sync and rolling.

There just isn't enough track record with so many guys we will be counting on to get me that far yet.

But, I do agree that coaching staff wise, this one is probably the best we've had since then and could be argued as the best we have ever had.

DaneMcCloud 06-25-2013 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9776017)
In todays game, with more spread concepts, I don't think it's as big of an issue as it was previously.

Only time will tell.

At this point, he's anomaly. If shorter QB's begin to have his type of success in the NFL, it will be a trend.

Personally, I can't see it happening.

O.city 06-25-2013 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9776022)
Only time will tell.

At this point, he's anomaly. If shorter QB's begin to have his type of success in the NFL, it will be a trend.

Personally, I can't see it happening.

I think Brees is the anomaly, in that he's the traditional guy who's short. Wilson isn't as much the traditional pocket guy.

I don't think guys who are shorter than 6 foot will ever be the norm, but I think the days of the 6"6 pocket passer are less and less likely. the 6"0-6"2 could be more likely.

BossChief 06-25-2013 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9776012)
IMO, there are less question marks on this team since 1997.

They're loaded defensively, they have an accurate WCO QB, the league's best running back, a solid if not spectacular offensive line, weapons at TE, a true franchise WR and so on. They have the best coaching staff since 1993, IMO.

I don't think they'll click on all cylinders from Day One but by Week Eight, barring catastrophic injuries, this team should be in sync and rolling.

This team has a lot of talent...for sure. I can see your scenario playing out just as I thought last year had potential to be special...but we all saw what happened when "on paper" became "on the field" and it wasn't pretty.

This years team has a lot of unproven talent on it that can be vital to the failure or success and if Alex Smith can hold up his end of the bargain, we may have something.

It sure would be nice to enjoy the games again.

O.city 06-25-2013 10:54 PM

Boss Chief, how long do we have to look at that stupid shit in your sig?

O.city 06-25-2013 10:58 PM

I do think we will see more QB's who might not be as "sure" things as some in the past because of the CBA, but I think that also shows just how shitty this years class was.


Typical Chiefs though. Had we just sucked for Luck I guess.

BossChief 06-25-2013 10:59 PM

I lost a bet to gochiefs that Charles would get 300 touches last year, coming off his torn acl.

It was for a full year and kicked in during week 16 of last season iirc.

O.city 06-25-2013 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9776031)
I lost a bet to gochiefs that Charles would get 300 touches last year, coming off his torn acl.

It was for a full year and kicked in during week 16 of last season iirc.

Ick.

DaneMcCloud 06-25-2013 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9776025)
I think Brees is the anomaly, in that he's the traditional guy who's short. Wilson isn't as much the traditional pocket guy.

I don't think guys who are shorter than 6 foot will ever be the norm, but I think the days of the 6"6 pocket passer are less and less likely. the 6"0-6"2 could be more likely.

Off the top of my head, Manning, Manning, Flacco, Rothlisberger, Freeman, Ryan, Newton, Luck, Kaepernick, Brady, Tannehill, Manuel, and Rivers are all 6'5 or taller.

"Ideal Size" for scouts and GM's is 6'3, 225 and that's really a "baseline".

Short guys will not become the trend.

DaneMcCloud 06-25-2013 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9776026)
This team has a lot of talent...for sure. I can see your scenario playing out just as I thought last year had potential to be special...but we all saw what happened when "on paper" became "on the field" and it wasn't pretty.

This years team has a lot of unproven talent on it that can be vital to the failure or success and if Alex Smith can hold up his end of the bargain, we may have something.

It sure would be nice to enjoy the games again.

Again, I think the Chiefs have the finest coaching staff since the 1993 Chiefs.

Marty was a great regular season head coach and brought many wins to KC. In retrospect, Gunther Cunningham was a much better head coach than he was given credit for by me (and practically everyone else, save for KCJohnny) at the time. Vermeil's staff was very good offensively and very poor defensively.

Everyone knew that there was a dropoff between Vermeil and Herm. But what most people didn't expect (myself not included because I did expect it) was that there was a dropoff between Todd Haley and Herm. And even worse was the dropoff between Haley and Crennel!

This team's fan base hasn't seen competent offensive and defensive coaching staffs (let alone, head coaching) since really 1997. And because of that, the fans have forgotten how important a great coaching staff is to the overall equation.

It's just sickening that this team won two games while sending six guys to the Pro Bowl. Say what you will about the Pro Bowl but it is the best indicator of individual talent available to the masses.

BossChief 06-25-2013 11:14 PM

Sending 5 to the top 100 list (and one of them not being Hali or Berry) and only winning 2 games is criminal.

I bet last years team could have won 7-8 games with Kyle Orton (if we had re-signed him instead of Quinn) and I can at least say Alex Smith is a better player than him.

Add that to the massive upgrade in coaching staff and we have a chance to make some noise this year.

O.city 06-25-2013 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9776034)
Off the top of my head, Manning, Manning, Flacco, Rothlisberger, Freeman, Ryan, Newton, Luck, Kaepernick, Brady, Tannehill, Manuel, and Rivers are all 6'5 or taller.

"Ideal Size" for scouts and GM's is 6'3, 225 and that's really a "baseline".

Short guys will not become the trend.

Like I said, I don't think short will ever be the trend.

But with spread concepts becoming more prevalent, I think the league will become more accepting if you will, of guys like Alex Smith who aren't 6"6 pocket passers.

I think guys like Tannehill and Newton and Kap become more the norm. Ej being the latest case. There will probably always be a place for a Manning but I dunno if it will be the ideal anymore.

Kinda feel like Brad Smith was just before his time

DaneMcCloud 06-25-2013 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9776044)
I bet last years team could have won 7-8 games with Kyle Orton (if we had re-signed him instead of Quinn) and I can at least say Alex Smith is a better player than him.

Before the season, I would have agreed. But after watching that disastrous coaching staff, I'm not sure that Peyton Manning could have willed that team to eight wins.

Seriously.

O.city 06-25-2013 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9776044)
Sending 5 to the top 100 list (and one of them not being Hali or Berry) and only winning 2 games is criminal.

I bet last years team could have won 7-8 games with Kyle Orton (if we had re-signed him instead of Quinn) and I can at least say Alex Smith is a better player than him.

Add that to the massive upgrade in coaching staff and we have a chance to make some noise this year.

I hope it doesn't, but it might take se time to make noise because of all the change.


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