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Brandon Flowers done (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=284340)

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10697530)

:facepalm: Really??? You dont agree more talent left than we acquired? The only reason why you dont see it is because you dont want to....

Who?

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 10697566)

:spock:

Dorsey caused Flowers' play to decline?

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10696710)

No one is trading for those contracts. Their high cap numbers prohibted any trade for Hali or Flowers. I agree Albert should have been traded last year when he was tagged though.

I don't agree though about the rebuild. Jamaal, DJ, Hali go through a 3rd rebuild? That's awful to just waste their primes.

I have no problem with what they did last year besides signing Fasano and Chase.

When a team trades for a player, they are only trading for unpaid bonuses and base salaries.

Brandon Flowers was only due another 18 million over the next 3 years.

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 10697562)

Man, all this yearning for the good old days of 2011 and 2012... Amazing.

No one feels that way.

It's a sick feeling over knowing it's going the exact same way...

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10697530)

:facepalm: Really??? You dont agree more talent left than we acquired? The only reason why you dont see it is because you dont want to....

Yep, losing Lewis really hurts...

:facepalm:

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 10699882)

Yep, losing Lewis really hurts...

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 10697566)

:spock:

You think Flowers play last year was at the level he was at prior?

He was awful last year.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10697629)

When a team trades for a player, they are only trading for unpaid bonuses and base salaries.

Brandon Flowers was only due another 18 million over the next 3 years.

This year is the only year that really matters when a team is trading for a player. What team had 7.5 million just sitting to be able to acquire Flowers?

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 10697544)

You don't think this is a rebuild? (And a poor rebuild at that since Dorsey wasn't able to wheel and deal and obtain more draft picks the last two years).

It's a big rebuild for the D. The top 3 CBs will have been acquired by Dorsey as well as one safety. 2/3rds of the starting DL. The LB's are the only spot where there hasn't been much turnover, but that seems like it too will change with Ford for Hali. Plus, who knows how much Houston is asking for.

OL/WR/TE/QB - all turned over.

It's a rebuild.

The Raiders 2 years ago were a rebuild when they cut everyone. I don't view a rebuild as replacing pieces when a new regime takes over.

Rebuild to me is gutting the entire roster, much like this team did in 2008.

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10697530)

:facepalm: Really??? You dont agree more talent left than we acquired? The only reason why you dont see it is because you dont want to....

Ha, yes, I'm just a guy with his head in the sand.

Who left?

Albert? That's a loss, but I think that's the only one.

Asamoah was awful. I'll never advocate paying a RG unless they are all world like Will Shields, so I don't view Schwartz as that costly.

McCluster's production will be replaced either with Thomas or a collection of ofthers. Again, no loss on my end.

Flowers stings a bit, but not based on 2013 production.

You that upset about Tyson Jackson? Quentin Demps? Kendrick Lewis? Akeem Jordan?

Why was Flowers put in the slot again last year?

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10699905)

This year is the only year that really matters when a team is trading for a player. What team had 7.5 million just sitting to be able to acquire Flowers?

They would have only needed to cover his base of 5.25 and his wo bonus of 250,000.

5.5 total

The 7.5 we saved was due to prorated bonuses that were already paid bit count against our cap because the accelerate...cutting him after June 1 let us spread the hit over 2 years and has nothing to do with what a team trading for him needed in terms of cap space.

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10699910)

It's not about any individual talent as much as it's about the number of question marks they had ENTERING the offseason, and the number of question marks that emerged during FA as talent departed.

It's like people are scared and think that young players taking over is a question mark of the highest order. Yes it is a question mark, but I'll damn well take Commings, Watkins and Kelce over the players who started at their position last year.

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10699908)

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...l-flowers.html

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Originally Posted by Bob Gretz

Management changes, coaching changes and scheme changes will make some talented players obsolete because they no longer fit what the team is trying to accomplish on offense or defense.

The Chiefs saw this effect in 2009 when Scott Pioli and Todd Haley were hired, in 2011 when Romeo Crennel was named head coach and again last season when every part of the football operation was changed. John Dorsey and Andy Reid have been on the job for just 18 months; on the current roster there are only 16 of 89 players that were here before January 2013. Three of those 16 are kicking game specialists (Dustin Colquitt, Thomas Gafford and Ryan Succop).

Continuity and consistency are the benchmarks for championships teams, in the coaching office and the locker room. An organization must know what it wants, keep its decision makers on the payroll, and acquire talent that fits the vision. Change that equation through shuffling coaches and allow alterations in how players are evaluated/acquired/developed makes an arduous journey more difficult. Any deviation and there’s no chance a franchise can sustain championship success.

As Gretz said, only 16 of 89 players on the chiefs roster were with the team before Dorsey/Reid. That is a rebuild of the roster.