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DaneMcCloud 02-11-2009 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5479825)
Agreed. The Sanchez fanatics are going too far to make their point. Some of their points are legit, but sometimes they deny established truths about the league. That's what I don't like about the Planet lately. And I think the Chiefs should draft Sanchez.
WHAT?

Where has anyone mentioned Sanchez while debating your ridiculous statement that Brees would be just as effective in Pittsburgh as Rothlisberger?

WHAT THE ****?

SAUTO 02-11-2009 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5479851)
They tell more of the story than ASSUMING that because he throws a lot, he gets hit a lot.

Peyton Manning rarely gets hit. Anyone who watches the Colts knows this.

Yet he throws the ball 500+ times a year, and is always near the top of the attempts list.

Shy of breaking down film of every Brees attempt, the stats, and knowing the offensive system the Saints use (interestingly, very similar to the Colts) have to be used to contract an argument.

But you can't sit here and assume that he gets hit a lot, FOR NO OTHER REASON than he throws a lot. That's terribly flawed logic.
the same can be said for what you are assuming. you dont know how many times he was hit do you? so you too are assuming. also look how many int's he throws. thats leaving a free shot on him open. my buddy is a huge saints fan and i've watched plenty of games. brees takes more hits than sacks

Basileus777 02-11-2009 12:52 PM
You can't prove Brees' toughness one way or another through stats. Ben gets hit a lot, and much of it is his fault. Ben also gets hurt a lot. Saying Brees couldn't play in Pittsburgh because he gets rid of the ball and doesn't get sacked 40+ times a year is just speculation with little reason behind it.

OnTheWarpath15 02-11-2009 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5479825)
Agreed. The Sanchez fanatics are going too far to make their point. Some of their points are legit, but sometimes they deny established truths about the league. That's what I don't like about the Planet lately. And I think the Chiefs should draft Sanchez.
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5479850)
me too, but to just look at one side is hilarious. in what 1300 pas attempts and to only get "hit" 29 times is just asinine to say. thats using one side to show youre right while conveniently forgetting that you dont have to be sacked to take a hit
Uh, I'm using statistics and knowledge of the offensive system he plays in to build a case.

You two are basing your case on nothing more than assumptions.

Feel free to come up with something more concrete than assumptions, and I'll be more than happy to listen.

I'm actually shocked that ANYONE would say that Drew Brees takes anywhere NEAR the number of hits that Ben Roethlisberger does.

SAUTO 02-11-2009 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5479864)
Uh, I'm using statistics and knowledge of the offensive system he plays in to build a case.

You two are basing your case on nothing more than assumptions.

Feel free to come up with something more concrete than assumptions, and I'll be more than happy to listen.

I'm actually shocked that ANYONE would say that Drew Brees takes anywhere NEAR the number of hits that Ben Roethlisberger does.
you are taking half the stats and assuming the rest sacks dont= hits, i'm shocked that you refuse to acknowledge this

Sam Hall 02-11-2009 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5479854)
WHAT?

Where has anyone mentioned Sanchez while debating your ridiculous statement that Brees would be just as effective in Pittsburgh as Rothlisberger?

WHAT THE ****?
This whole thing is about Sanchez and you know it. People like Brees don't deserve criticism just because you're hellbent on drafting Sanchez.

OnTheWarpath15 02-11-2009 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5479856)
the same can be said for what you are assuming. you dont know how many times he was hit do you? so you too are assuming. also look how many int's he throws. thats leaving a free shot on him open. my buddy is a huge saints fan and i've watched plenty of games. brees takes more hits than sacks
I'm not saying if he's not sacked, he's not getting hit.

But it's pretty fair to say that if he's not getting sacked more than once a game, he's probably not getting hit much.

I can deduct that based on his stats, and the type of offense they run.

YOU are ASSUMING he's getting hit for NO OTHER REASON than he throws a lot.

You have NOTHING to back up that assumption.

I do.

Case ****ing closed.

DaneMcCloud 02-11-2009 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5479877)
This whole thing is about Sanchez and you know it. People like Brees don't deserve criticism just because you're hellbent on drafting Sanchez.
You are officially reeruned

OnTheWarpath15 02-11-2009 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5479872)
you are taking half the stats and assuming the rest sacks dont= hits, i'm shocked that you refuse to acknowledge this
No I'm not you ****ing nitwit.

I'm taking ALL the stats I'm offered, along with the knowledge that like Peyton Manning, Brees runs an offense that gets the ball out of the QB's hand quickly.

I'm not saying he doesn't take hits.

But to say he takes anywhere NEAR the amount of hits that Roethlisberger does is asinine.

Sam Hall 02-11-2009 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5479864)
Uh, I'm using statistics and knowledge of the offensive system he plays in to build a case.

You two are basing your case on nothing more than assumptions.

Feel free to come up with something more concrete than assumptions, and I'll be more than happy to listen.

I'm actually shocked that ANYONE would say that Drew Brees takes anywhere NEAR the number of hits that Ben Roethlisberger does.
This is something else I've figured it out lately. The three or four Sanchez lovers tell us we're making assumptions because they don't want to admit that other posters have a good point.

keg in kc 02-11-2009 12:59 PM
Interesting article from december shows that Brees was top-10 in the NFL in both hits and hurries to that point of the season: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ext...d-hurries-2008

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Here are your (hurries) leaders among quarterbacks.

J.T. O'Sullivan, SF: 63
Aaron Rodgers, GB: 59
Drew Brees, NO: 54
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT: 54
David Garrard, JAC: 52*
Donovan McNabb, PHI: 50
Peyton Manning, IND: 49
Matt Ryan, ATL: 47
Derek Anderson, CLE: 45
Kurt Warner, ARI: 45*

The least-hurried quarterback among regular starters is Jake Delhomme, marked with only 23 hurries with no missing halves through Week 11.

here are the quarterbacks with the most hits. Again, sacks not included. Check out the big gap between the top two and everyone else.

Kurt Warner, ARI: 65.2 (65)
David Garrard, JAC: 61.2 (67)
Matt Cassel, NE: 42.4 (42)
Jeff Garcia, TB: 41.1 (41)
Jason Campbell, WAS: 36.5 (39)
Drew Brees, NO: 36.5 (37)
Tony Romo, DAL: 34.8 (34)
Peyton Manning, IND: 33.2 (33)
Derek Anderson, CLE: 30.2 (28)
Donovan McNabb, PHI: 30.1 (27)
I have to admit I was surprised by that. The guy was only sacked 13 times in 600+ attempts and completed 65% of his passes, which aren't exactly the kind of numbers that shout 'under pressure'.

The Franchise 02-11-2009 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5479895)
This is something else I've figured it out lately. The three or four Sanchez lovers tell us we're making assumptions because they don't want to admit that other posters have a good point.
This has nothing to do with Sanchez. WTF.....

This has everything to about someone saying that Brees would excel in Pittsburghs offense.

OnTheWarpath15 02-11-2009 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5479895)
This is something else I've figured it out lately. The three or four Sanchez lovers tell us we're making assumptions because they don't want to admit that other posters have a good point.
WTF does Sanchez have to do with this?

You've lost your ****ing mind.

Basileus777 02-11-2009 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5479900)
Interesting article from december shows that Brees was top-10 in the NFL in both hits and hurries to that point of the season: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ext...d-hurries-2008

I have to admit I was surprised by that. The guy was only sacked 13 times in 600+ attempts and completed 65% of his passes, which aren't exactly the kind of numbers that shout 'under pressure'.
The Saints don't have a great oline and when you pass that much you are bound to get a lot of pressure. The number of sacks given up says as much about a QB as it does the line. How many times have we seen teams give uo 40+ sacks and then a better QB comes in and all of a sudden the number of sacks goes down drastically? Or vice-versa. Brady was barely touched last year and Cassel was sacked 40+ times this year. And generally more mobile QBs are sacked more because they try to keep the play alive too long.

Sam Hall 02-11-2009 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5479888)
You are officially reeruned
The fact that you don't realize how hellbent you are about Sanchez proves how much of a problem you have. You and the other couple Sanchez fanatics have gone too far to make your point. And I want the Chiefs to draft Sanchez.


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