OMG I was clearly the only person that thought CEH would be a stud in this offense that offseason.

That wasn't a national thing either! I'm just a homer.

Does anybody remember Brett Kollman shitting his pants when the Chiefs drafted CEH? That guys knows nothing about football! What an idiot!

I'll absolutely own being wrong on CEH, but I was far from the only one. Even most who didn't like the pick only didn't like taking a RB in the 1st. Most people thought we were at least getting a good RB.

Meanwhile, it's impossible to go back and bump KChiefs1s old takes, because he doesn't have any. CPs most worthless poster ever.

Get a ****ing life dude.

Oh look the reeruns coming togther. How cute.

:thumb:

There's a 3rd reerun.

LMAO

All 3 of you popping up within minutes is priceless.

Rent free.

I'm amazed there is still a group of fans who thinks CEH isn't pure shit, although I shouldn't be.

Holding onto hope.

Got him....good job guys

Understandable. I hope he miraculously turns it around, but I know right now he's dog shit.

You, like Andy, Veach, and Pat, thought we were getting "Brian Westbrook 2.0".

I guess we're all idiots.

You might not have wanted a RB in the 1st, but you like the player.

Who is holding onto hope?

I'm pretty sure all of us are done with CEH as the lead back and would like to see Pacheco in that role ASAP.

He deserved to start the year given his draft status and the injuries so far. Now it's time to move on and use him in a different role.

You also finally shut the **** up about Hardman being worth a damn. You sure enjoy blindly supporting some really shitty players.

LMAO What an idiot!

I'm a noted idiot.

You apparently are holding out hope for yourself.....this thread ends that!!!

Preaching patience with young players isn't blind support.

Sorry I'm not more like you idiots that have zero patience.

The haters choose to remember or bring up what they want.

Pretty sure you all won't ever be bumping a post like this:

That's me talking about Sneed when you morons likely didn't even have a clue who he was.

I own up to it, too. I thought CEH would be Emmitt Smith.

Damn was I wrong.

:thumb:

Hey, we're far from the only ones.

CEH got a lot of hype, even nationally, after being drafted by the Chiefs.

For the record, he wasn't even my first choice at RB.

I had Swift, Taylor, and Dobbins ahead of him.

However, I did say before the draft that he was the best fit in terms of what the Chiefs/Andy look for.

It's just odd because he's never been the weapon in the passing game that most expected.

I remember when KC was on the clock and I was jumping with excitement...I was thinking Swift or Taylor for sure and then it was Ceh and I was a little confused and a little disappointed but hey we back our chiefs right? It's just painful to see how Taylor and Swift turned out.

I can't believe I'm defending Clyde because he's been rank. BUT, I do think it's baffling how they've used him. Completely wasted as a receiver and forced into outside zone stuff he doesn't have the wheels for. He's been bad but he's also been misused - we've not seen him used the way we expected.

That's absolutely fair.

I will say, that if the Chiefs took Swift, the injuries would obviously be frustrating, but I think he'd be absolutely insane when healthy.

That dude is so explosive, our offense would be unstoppable when he's actually on the field.

Swift is a stud, but he's getting dangerously close to brokedick territory. Dudes has an even harder time (significantly) staying healthy than CEH.

LMAO staylor, just take the L, bruv.

I still think he is in love with Hardman. Must give a helluva reach around.


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There's no L to take.

WTF has Swift done? He's statistically worse than CEH.

And the concern with Taylor was always his college workload/wear and tear.

The Colts are now running him into the ground and his production has begun dropping off and his injuries are starting to pile up.

At the time, CEH looked like the perfect match for the Chiefs offense. Ya'll act like Veach, Mahomes and many in the national media didn't see the same damn things Staylor and I did.

CEH hasn't been the star game breaker we had hoped, but he's far from the "bust" chiefs fans want to label him as.

Swift averages .2 YPC more than CEH, yet Swift is a stud and CEH is garbage?

LMAO

Mah dudes.....c'mon now.

Taylor would've been the far superior pick. It is what it is. Quite sad to see the Colts smash him into glue so early in his career.

He won’t, you either have it or you don’t.

Yea, I'm in love with CEH and Hardman, hence why I'm calling for Pacheco and Moore to take snaps away from them :drool:

You're quite literally too stupid to even argue with.

The loss was taking any RB period. Tee Higgins or Pittman Jr and this offense is humming. And that’s not even a hindsight is 20/20 suggestion, both would have been obvious picks over a god damned runningback in an Andy Reid off win the 1st.

If that's the case, then show us where you were calling for that. Surely you have receipts.

If we are going to do the "if we would have chosen ________ (insert Pro bowler nobody predicted) we'd be so much better" argument, we can literally go across every team ever and pick them to pieces.

I wasn't aware of him prior to the draft, so I was surprised when I saw the pick, but when I heard his measurables I was like wtf is that?

I wanted to take a shot at Claypool in the first and look for an rb in the middle rounds None of the RBs struck me as first round talents in that draft

But then what would OKchiefs have to bitch about?

You have to forgive him for being such a miserable ****, but it's not like this is the golden age of Chiefs football, so can you blame him?

That's not what's going on here. There were a pretty significant number of posters that did want Swift or Taylor over CEH before the pick was ultimately made. Or just didn't want any and preferred one of the WRs instead.

That was going to happen regardless. The guy is a grinder, it's just who he is. Taylor was one of those guys I didn't like because I didn't think he'd make it through a 2nd contract. If you were to take him, you'd have to accept the probability that you had him for 5 years and then had to let someone else pay him big money.

That's any RB ever for this team. They'd either play themselves out of a reasonable contract here or they'd be JAGs constantly churning through one year vet mins. There's not much grey area in the NFL when it comes to RBs unfortunately, especially for the Chiefs in particular.

Hindsight is a mother****er.

These guys talking like they were thinking WR the whole way are full of it.

The year CEH was drafted we had Hill, Watkins and a 2nd year Hardman.

We were fresh off a SB win with the touted "Legion of Zoom" crew at WR.

NO ONE was talking WR back then. We had the ****ing "LEGION OF ZOOM".

It's real easy to go back and say, "Oh we shoulda taken Higgens". Reality is we walked into the 2020 season "loaded" at WR and the only real glaring gap on the roster was RB.

How quickly we forget reality i guess.

Huh? It wouldn't have been controversial at all to talk about preparing for life after Watkins. Even then he'd not exactly been a beacon of health.

Am I full of shit, or did it come out afterwards that we were REALLY interested in Jeff Gladney and the Vikings got him just before we could? I swear I remember hearing or reading that.

Bastion, the word you're looking for is bastion.

Ubeja was pounding the table for Taylor.

Unfortunately, he was also under the table pounding that coyote.

Yeah, I'm going to have to wholeheartedly disagree with that notion that WR wasn't a realistic option to discuss in 2020. The Chiefs arguably were doing more diligence there than at any other position besides maybe CB and DL. A list of our interviews and visits before COVID ****ed everything for reference:

Cornerbacks
CB Terrell Burgess | Utah (5-11, 202 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Chiefs Wire)
CB Trevon Diggs | Alabama (6-1, 205 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Kansas City Star)
CB Kristian Fulton | LSU (6-0, 197 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Kansas City Star)
CB Jeff Gladney | TCU (5-10, 191 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Kent)
CB Jaylon Johnson | Utah (6-0, 193 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Kansas City Star)
CB Reggie Robinson II | Tulsa (6-1, 205 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Chiefs Wire)
CB AJ Terrell | Clemson (6-1, 195 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Chiefs Wire)

Defensive linemen
DL Ross Blacklock | TCU (6-4, 290 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via KCTV5)
DL Marlon Davidson | Auburn (6-3, 303 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via KCTV5)
DL Raekwon Davis | Alabama (6-7, 331 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Chiefs Wire)
DL Jordan Elliott | Missouri (6-4, 302 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via KCTV5)
DL Khalid Kareem | Notre Dame (6-4, 268 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Kent)
DL Julian Okwara | Notre Dame (6-4, 252 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Chiefs Wire)
DL Jason Strowbridge | North Carolina (6-4, 275 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Kent)

Linebackers
LB Troy Dye | Oregon (6-4, 231 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Kent)
LB Patrick Queen | LSU (6-1, 229 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Kent)

Offensive linemen
OL Ben Bredeson | Michigan (6-5, 315 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Kansas City Star)
OL Yasir Durant | Missouri (6-6, 331 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Kansas City Star)
OL Charlie Heck (son of Chiefs OL coach Andy Heck) | North Carolina (6-8, 311 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Chiefs Wire)
OL Robert Hunt | Louisiana-Lafayette (6-5, 323 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Kansas City Star)

Running backs
RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire | LSU (5-7, 207 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via NFL Draft)
RB Anthony McFarland | Maryland (5-8, 208 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Draft Network)
RB Zack Moss | Utah (5-9, 223 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Chiefs Wire)

Tight ends
TE Jacob Breeland | Oregon (6-5, 252 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Chiefs Wire)

Wide receivers
WR Lawrence Cager | Georgia (6-5, 220 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Kansas City Star)
WR Aaron Fuller | Washington (5-11, 188 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Kansas City Star)
WR Tee Higgins | Clemson (6-4, 216 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Kansas City Star)
WR Justin Jefferson | LSU (6-1, 202 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Kansas City Star)
WR Van Jefferson | Florida (6-1, 200 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via Chiefs Wire)
WR Juwan Johnson | Oregon (6-4, 230 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Kansas City Star)
WR Donovan Peoples-Jones | Michigan (6-2, 212 lbs) | NFL.com draft profile (via The Kansas City Star)

It wouldn't have been controversial, but that wasn't the line of thinking.

We had just witnessed Watkins catch the pass that took us the the SB, and then watched him burn Sherman IN the SB.

At the time, Watkins was a fan favorite and Hardman was this exciting up and coming player that was making all sorts of special teams plays.

WR was not an issue at the time or at the forefront of anyone's minds.

We still loved Frank Clark at the time too. We were high on Breeland and Ward, a killer rookie season from Thornhill, and we had prime Tyrann in the secondary.

We had given a big-ish contract to Hitchens and he was our core LB.

We had Fisher and Schwartz at tackle.

It was real ****ing easy to look at the roster, look at the draft, and then project who the Chiefs would pick.

I called the CEH pick several days before the draft. Not because i know wtf im doing, but because it was by far the most obvious answer.

Chiefs were in a "Luxury" pick state of mind, and the only "hole" on the roster was RB. Then you had this CEH guy who had what looked like the IDEAL skillset for this offense, and who'd be available around our pick. It was an obvious no-brainer.

Can't come back years later and declare what we "shold've" done. Totally disingenuous when you consider the state of the Chiefs at the time.

I think i laid out the mindset of the Chiefs and the state of the team pretty well.

No one was seriously considering a 4th string WR as a realistic option for a 1st round draft pick.

I mean, we can literally go back and look at what position groups the Chiefs were doing the most diligence on going into the 2020 draft. They were CB, DL, and WR. Saying that anybody is just bullshitting when they thought the Chiefs would/should have gone that direction is a bit strange given we know where they were looking, yeah?

Considering they look deep at all the position groups every year?

I don't think you have a strong argument here. Again, context of where this team was at the time, a 1st round 4th string WR wasn't in the cards.

Nobody seriously thought WR was a position of need headed into the 2020 draft. Definitely calling bluff on that one.

That's not to say some of us weren't going, "hey Claypool would look great in the Red N gold", but to say there were hard stans for WR? Naaah.

Pretty sure that's a top 30 list, though. Kind of have to be choosy at where you're looking with that and it seems they had certain positions in mind.

And then they proceeded to not draft a single WR that year.

That's fine. But the argument here is you think people that wanted to go WR are just spouting off bullshit based on hindsight. I don't think that's a fair assessment given the Chiefs did place a rather heavy emphasis on CB, DL, and WR assessment heading into the draft and that's public knowledge. Hell, we all collectively use the top 30 list as a barometer to who the Chiefs are really interested in damn near every year.

Mostly, yeah.

We'll just have to settle on a disagreement here.

This was brought up in a different thread and isn't meant as a defense of CEH but what is going on with our screen game? Andy loves his cute screens but didn't he used to run normal screens in philly?

Am I misremembering? Why don't we run more basic screens especially in a game like Sunday where it seemed that was an ideal way to combat their defensive ends?

The L is the insecurity. He's the first to note the fact that he made an accurate prediction, now he needs to eat shit when it's pointed out that he made an inaccurate prediction.

CEH is far and away the worst of all the names you've mentioned though. Imagine if Swift and CEH swapped places. Swift would be far more effective in our offense and CEH would.. well, idk, but I highly doubt his numbers would be better.

He was a miserable **** when the Royals were winning the World Series.

Literally said I will own it, but I'm also not going to pretend like most people didn't do the same shit. Not just Chiefs fans either.

CEH was a rookie going in the 1st round of fantasy drafts. The hype was through the roof.

I'm also not going to take shit from people like KChiefs1 and OKchiefs who never make predictions and operate in hindsight 100% of the time :shrug:

I don't think Swift is a "stud" but he plays in Detroit. Imagine him playing here where he's never see 8 in a box and actually had a QB worth a damn. Compare playing with Mahomes under Andy Reid to playing with Goff under Matt Patricia and Dan Campbell.

Detroit has had a really good OL for 2 years now.

Swift's biggest issue is that he can't stay healthy, not his situation.

It wasn't an off-the-wall prediction. Like I said, you lost when the idiots dog piled you and you started going back and forth with them lol

Back and forth would imply that they ever have anything to actually say.

They are incapable of original thoughts.

Generally speaking, so have we when you put a competent RB in the game.

Big difference is, Swift is only going to see six or seven man boxes here. Teams who play us are far more terrified of Mahomes, Kelce, and formerly Hill.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing that Swift would be better. Me and Detoxing had a similar debate before the draft that year. I preferred Swift, and still would.

But despite being more talented, Swift is somehow significantly more injury prone.

Honestly, outside of Taylor, that entire RB class has been a huge disappointment.

CEH, Swift, Dobbins, and Akers are all looking like busts at this point for one reason or another.

Him and CEH have played the same number of games. They're both injury prone.

CEH has only really had 2 injuries, and one was just a very freak accident when he was twisted up. Many thought it would be worse than it was.

I'm giving CEH the benefit of the doubt, because he's been healthy so far in year 3.

Meanwhile, for the 3rd year in a row, Swift has already missed multiple games. He literally didn't make it out of week 1 without getting hurt.

He's always banged up, and has played hurt some games too.

Not saying CEH hasn't been a little injury prone himself, but he might be the only one that can even make it through a full season.

CEH hasn't lived up to my expectations but there is still football to be played. He has done some good things but the big thing is for him to hit the hole and that shouldn't be hard behind this line. I'm not giving up on him even if I curbed my expectations. I just expected him play above his rookie season and hasn't happened yet. I think they need to work harder at establishing the run because our book end tackles suck in pass protection but better at run blocking. Keep rotating the backs Keep them fresh for the playoffs. I want to save McKinnon as much as possible for playoffs.

Reasonable to say lots of smart people liked the CEH pick. But I never want to hear from the "Poople saying never take a RB in the 1st round are full of it" lot again. You're wrong, you've always been wrong, it is a sh***y stupid move and you can bet Veach isn't dumb enough make that mistake again.

Swift is soft. Not nearly enough dog in him.

If we had gotten anything close to Kareem Hunt it would totally be worth it. Our offense has never been the same since we lost Hunt. And obviously it isn't trivially easy to replace him (the myth about RBs) - because we've been trying for a while with zero luck.

I feel like the "RBs don't matter" mantra has swung too far the other way. Everyone just repeats it as dogma now w/o even thinking about it. Maybe RBs don't matter as much when you have a shitty QB. But right now we are dying for a RB that makes teams think twice about these ultra-light boxes. Teams don't fear our running game at all. And with our OL, they should. But our RBs suck.

Also if your late 1st-round RB turns out to be a stud, you can ride him for 5 years and then let him walk for a big payday elsewhere when he's just about used up anyway.

Eh, I'm all for a rule of not taking a RB in the top 20, and it's not my preference to take one on the 1st, but I stand by the fact that there's virtually no difference in taking one at 32 and taking one at 35.

If the Chiefs got a back like Breece Hall at 32, the pick would've been fine.

I would agree that if you're going to do it, you better be right, and it better be a hit, but I will never agree to it as a rule that you can never break.

We thought CEH would be an 8/10
CEH is a 5/10

Yep, he just doesn't break tackles. Hell he doesn't even fall forward for the extra yard. Very much like if you pulled his flag, down at the point of contact.

Using CEH as evidence against picking RBs in the first is smooth-brained logic. He was over drafted based off his measurables alone. First round RB's should be of a certain size/speed, with outstanding production in college

I know I’m late to this but I too believe he is only getting the time he does because of his draft position. Let’s not forget he was the first RB taken in that draft. They had their pick of litter and failed miserably.

Let's just say the Chiefs drafted a clone of Christian McCaffrey at 32 that year.

Do you honestly believe it would make sense to still say they shouldn't have taken a RB?

If you got a back like that at 32 on a cheap rookie deal with a 5th year option, that's a great pick.

That's the only real appeal to me in taking a RB though. A team that is already a SB contender adding a Christian McCaffrey level back for 5 cheap years.

When you're the Panthers and take him at 8, then proceed to waste all that time being trash, then it's obviously not worth it.

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

It's just to easy to find them later.

That's the issue. If you're a SB contender, you likely have really good players elsewhere and to stay a contender, you aren't gonna be able to sign them all. So take a guy that you could actually get some value out of as a DE or a WR or whatever spot that's hard to find later in the draft.

The other issue is a first round pick is someone you hope you can give a second contract to. If the RB hits, you aren't likely gonna wanna pay him anyway.

Vision would be nice too, and any actual RB instincts.

Not with RBs where you can safely plan to use them for 5 years then let them walk. Or even trade them to some stupid team like the Texans.

Another argument is it's going to be tough to find a pro-bowl-level DE at #32. But you should be able to find a pro-bowl RB at #32 easily (if you don't screw the pooch).

Take a G then or a CB.

Just dont' take a RB in the first round. Ever.

He's a turd