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Dunerdr 08-22-2021 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bobhill (Post 15795780)
Has Taco Charlton even played in preseason?

He’s played a little. Most reports are that he’s not back to 100%yet.

Baby Lee 08-22-2021 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 15795214)
He'd be the hiney badger on today's CP.

Can a mod PLEASE change Billay's username to 'hiney badger?'

ROFL ROFL


Ahhh-rrroooooo!!!!

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Lzen 08-23-2021 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 15795091)
Or Jesse "James" Haynes

As I recall, Jesse Haynes looked great in preseason until the 3rd or 4th game in which he started fumbling. And that was the end of his career. ROFL

JakeF 08-23-2021 09:34 AM

I would like Shane Buechele, Derrick Gore, and Tim Ward to make the team.

Buechele will need to be on the Practice squad, but Gore and Ward can make the 53-man. I think Gore has a chance to be more consistent than Thompson. He is also bigger for blocking and special teams. I hope they put him against the #2 next game to see if he can be successful against better competition. Ward shows signs and we should keep more pass rushers to see how sticks. Frank Clark looks broken.

ToxSocks 08-23-2021 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15796176)
I would like Shane Buechele, Derrick Gore, and Tim Ward to make the team.

Buechele will need to be on the Practice squad.

Making the team and making the practice squad are two very different things.

ToxSocks 08-23-2021 09:37 AM

After seeing Fortson block, im starting to wonder if there's a place on this team for Blake Bell.

It's not like he's some exceptional blocker that we have to have. The fact that Fortson showed up as competent may really put Bell's ass on the cutting block.

saphojunkie 08-23-2021 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15796183)
After seeing Fortson block, im starting to wonder if there's a place on this team for Blake Bell.

It's not like he's some exceptional blocker that we have to have. The fact that Fortson showed up as competent may really put Bell's ass on the cutting block.

100% this

JPH83 08-23-2021 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15796183)
After seeing Fortson block, im starting to wonder if there's a place on this team for Blake Bell.

It's not like he's some exceptional blocker that we have to have. The fact that Fortson showed up as competent may really put Bell's ass on the cutting block.

I agree, but Bell is a good blocker, and I've a feeling it'll be valued more highly. Really thought Fortson blocked well, I don't think there's anything more he could do - maybe grow his butt size.

TwistedChief 08-23-2021 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15796183)
After seeing Fortson block, im starting to wonder if there's a place on this team for Blake Bell.

It's not like he's some exceptional blocker that we have to have. The fact that Fortson showed up as competent may really put Bell's ass on the cutting block.

Not to mention Fortson has more ability to also play WR in a pinch in case he was needed.

Do we think he'd be that much worse than Robinson in that role?

TribalElder 08-23-2021 10:11 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We have released the following players:<br>DE Taco Charlton<br>DB Will Parks<br>G Bryan Witzmann <br><br>We waived the following players:<br>LB Riley Cole<br>QB Anthony Gordon <a href="https://t.co/eoLh8u74cU">pic.twitter.com/eoLh8u74cU</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1429836984718069768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

TribalElder 08-23-2021 10:11 AM

No more taco

Tribal Warfare 08-23-2021 10:14 AM

Whiteboy Riley Cole is cut, damn

ku_jhawk23 08-23-2021 10:18 AM

With the way Fountain looked....any chance he makes it? I assume we will keep 6 WR....Hill, Hardman, Pringle, Robinson, Kemp (ST), and Powell. Is there any reason to keep Robinson instead of Fountain? I just can't think of anything Robinson does of value.

TLO 08-23-2021 10:19 AM

Bye bye Taco

RunKC 08-23-2021 10:21 AM

staylor was hyping up Taco so much lmao

staylor26 08-23-2021 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15796250)
staylor was hyping up Taco so much lmao

In what world does pointing out Taco’s good pass rush win rate last year equal “hyping up Taco so much”?

I literally said him and Danna could combine for 5 sacks “if he stays healthy”. That’s not exactly “hyping him up so much”.

It’s pretty obvious that he was cut because he couldn’t stay healthy, which I acknowledged more than once as a concern.

smithandrew051 08-23-2021 10:27 AM

Hard to see this as anything but good news. Veach and Reid feel comfortable enough with what they know they have, that they don’t feel the need to waste a roster spot hoping that Taco stays healthy (which is very unlikely).

I like the player, but I’m glad that our DL is good enough that we don’t have to hope he’s available to play.

Coochie liquor 08-23-2021 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 15796259)
Hard to see this as anything but good news. Veach and Reid feel comfortable enough with what they know they have, that they don’t feel the need to waste a roster spot hoping that Taco stays healthy (which is very unlikely).

I like the player, but I’m glad that our DL is good enough that we don’t have to hope he’s available to play.

Curious to see if/who Veach brings in from other teams cuts.

Dunerdr 08-23-2021 10:33 AM

Not gonna lie i never expected Taco to be gone. But he didnt look all that great.

smithandrew051 08-23-2021 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 15796272)
Curious to see if/who Veach brings in from other teams cuts.

Maybe another WR or RB. Can’t imagine bringing in any other position, unless it’s a super surprise cut.

Deberg_1990 08-23-2021 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 15796272)
Curious to see if/who Veach brings in from other teams cuts.

Nobody that’s going to grab a starting role or make much of an impact.

KCUnited 08-23-2021 10:48 AM

Letting go of taco is further proof Reid is evolving and can change his ways.

saphojunkie 08-23-2021 10:49 AM

Jones
Clark
Reed
Nnadi
Saunders
Danna
Wharton
Ward
Kaindoh

That’s only 9 - they kept 10 last year. Anyone I’m missing?

staylor26 08-23-2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 15796293)
Jones
Clark
Reed
Nnadi
Saunders
Danna
Wharton
Ward
Kaindoh

That’s only 9 - they kept 10 last year. Anyone I’m missing?

Okafor

saphojunkie 08-23-2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ku_jhawk23 (Post 15796247)
With the way Fountain looked....any chance he makes it? I assume we will keep 6 WR....Hill, Hardman, Pringle, Robinson, Kemp (ST), and Powell. Is there any reason to keep Robinson instead of Fountain? I just can't think of anything Robinson does of value.

I’m close to keeping Fountain over Kemp

saphojunkie 08-23-2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15796297)
Okafor.

Right. Thanks.

poolboy 08-23-2021 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 15796293)
Jones
Clark
Reed
Nnadi
Saunders
Danna
Wharton
Ward
Kaindoh

That’s only 9 - they kept 10 last year. Anyone I’m missing?

Okafor

siberian khatru 08-23-2021 10:51 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DE Chris Jones (illness), RB Darrel Williams (concussion protocol), DE Frank Clark (hamstring), CB Rashad Fenton (hamstring), LB Dorian O&#39;Daniel (illness) and OL Yasir Durant (concusssion protocol) among Chiefs injuries on Monday.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1429847908220903424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

RaidersOftheCellar 08-23-2021 10:51 AM

Was Taco really the weakest link in the edge rusher group? I thought he was pretty skilled.

staylor26 08-23-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15796302)
Was Taco really the weakest link in the edge rusher group? I thought he was pretty skilled.

I think it has more to do with his inability to stay healthy than anything.

Although I’d argue Okafor has the same problem.

RunKC 08-23-2021 10:53 AM

C’mon Veach get rid of Okafor’s broke ass and find someone on cut downs

siberian khatru 08-23-2021 10:53 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Clyde Edwards-Helaire participated in the walkthrough. He has a sore ankle. Might or might not practice today.<br><br>Tyreek Hill will practice today, per Andy Reid.</p>&mdash; Sam McDowell (@SamMcDowell11) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamMcDowell11/status/1429848218918178818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tribesman 08-23-2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 15796080)
As I recall, Jesse Haynes looked great in preseason until the 3rd or 4th game in which he started fumbling. And that was the end of his career. ROFL

Lol yep, followed by a brief stint in the European league.

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Dante84 08-23-2021 10:56 AM

The way I see it, there are 39 locks and 11 probables for a total of 51, leaving about 3 roster spots with 10 guys in the 50%+ category.

There are going to be some tough decisions, and a lot of quality players who are going to be cut next week.


39 LOCKS (90%+)
2 QB - Mahomes, Henne
3 RB - CEH, Williams, McKinnon
2 TE - Kelce, Gray
5 WR - Hill, Hardman, Robinson, Pringle
7 OL - Brown, Thuney, Humphrey, Smith, Niang, Remmers, LDT
7 DL - Jones, Wharton, Nnadi, Danna, Reed, Clark, Kaindoh
7 DB - Matheiu, Thornhill, Sorensen, Sneed, Ward, Hughes
4 LB - Hitchens, Bolton, Gay, Niemann*(special teams)
3 ST - Butker, Townsend, Winchester

10 PROBABLE (75%+)
1 RB - Burton
2 TE - Bell, Fortson
1 WR - Powell
3 OL - Wylie, Blythe
2 DL - Saunders, Okafor
1 DB - Baker, Fenton

10 TOSS UP (50%+)
1 RB - Thompson
2 WR - Kemp, Fountain
2 OL - Long, Allegretti, Tega Wanaho
1 DL - Ward
1 LB - Cobb
3 DB - Key, Watts, Keyes

ThyKingdomCome15 08-23-2021 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15796309)
The way I see it, there are 40 locks and 11 probables for a total of 51, leaving about 2 roster spots with 10 guys in the 50/50 category.

There are going to be some tough decisions, and a lot of quality players who are going to be cut next week.


40 LOCKS (90%+)
2 QB - Mahomes, Henne
3 RB - CEH, Williams, McKinnon
2 TE - Kelce, Gray
5 WR - Hill, Hardman, Robinson, Pringle, Robinson
7 OL - Brown, Thuney, Humphrey, Smith, Niang, Remmers, LDT
7 DL - Jones, Wharton, Nnadi, Danna, Reed, Clark, Kaindoh
7 DB - Matheiu, Thornhill, Sorensen, Sneed, Ward, Hughes
4 LB - Hitchens, Bolton, Gay, Niemann*(special teams)
3 ST - Butker, Townsend, Winchester

11 PROBABLE (75%+)
1 RB - Burton
2 TE - Bell, Fortson
1 WR - Powell
3 OL - Remmers, Wylie, Blythe
2 DL - Saunders, Okafor
1 DB - Baker, Fenton

10 TOSS UP (50%)
1 RB - Thompson
2 WR - Kemp, Fountain
2 OL - Long, Allegretti, Tega Wanaho
1 DL - Ward
1 LB - Cobb
3 DB - Key, Watts, Keyes

Robinson. 2X

staylor26 08-23-2021 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 15796306)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Clyde Edwards-Helaire participated in the walkthrough. He has a sore ankle. Might or might not practice today.<br><br>Tyreek Hill will practice today, per Andy Reid.</p>&mdash; Sam McDowell (@SamMcDowell11) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamMcDowell11/status/1429848218918178818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Great news for Clyde. Sounds like he should be ready to roll by week 1.

smithandrew051 08-23-2021 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15796309)
The way I see it, there are 40 locks and 11 probables for a total of 51, leaving about 2 roster spots with 10 guys in the 50/50 category.

There are going to be some tough decisions, and a lot of quality players who are going to be cut next week.


40 LOCKS (90%+)
2 QB - Mahomes, Henne
3 RB - CEH, Williams, McKinnon
2 TE - Kelce, Gray
5 WR - Hill, Hardman, Robinson, Pringle, Robinson
7 OL - Brown, Thuney, Humphrey, Smith, Niang, Remmers, LDT
7 DL - Jones, Wharton, Nnadi, Danna, Reed, Clark, Kaindoh
7 DB - Matheiu, Thornhill, Sorensen, Sneed, Ward, Hughes
4 LB - Hitchens, Bolton, Gay, Niemann*(special teams)
3 ST - Butker, Townsend, Winchester

11 PROBABLE (75%+)
1 RB - Burton
2 TE - Bell, Fortson
1 WR - Powell
3 OL - Remmers, Wylie, Blythe
2 DL - Saunders, Okafor
1 DB - Baker, Fenton

10 TOSS UP (50%)
1 RB - Thompson
2 WR - Kemp, Fountain
2 OL - Long, Allegretti, Tega Wanaho
1 DL - Ward
1 LB - Cobb
3 DB - Key, Watts, Keyes

I’d switch Kaindoh and Saunders. Kaindoh won’t be cut, but he could end up on the practice squad. Andy has praised Saunders a few times. I think Saunders also got the start against the Cardinals too, right?

MGRS13 08-23-2021 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15796309)
The way I see it, there are 40 locks and 11 probables for a total of 51, leaving about 2 roster spots with 10 guys in the 50/50 category.

There are going to be some tough decisions, and a lot of quality players who are going to be cut next week.


40 LOCKS (90%+)
2 QB - Mahomes, Henne
3 RB - CEH, Williams, McKinnon
2 TE - Kelce, Gray
5 WR - Hill, Hardman, Robinson, Pringle, Robinson
7 OL - Brown, Thuney, Humphrey, Smith, Niang, Remmers, LDT
7 DL - Jones, Wharton, Nnadi, Danna, Reed, Clark, Kaindoh
7 DB - Matheiu, Thornhill, Sorensen, Sneed, Ward, Hughes
4 LB - Hitchens, Bolton, Gay, Niemann*(special teams)
3 ST - Butker, Townsend, Winchester

11 PROBABLE (75%+)
1 RB - Burton
2 TE - Bell, Fortson
1 WR - Powell
3 OL - Remmers, Wylie, Blythe
2 DL - Saunders, Okafor
1 DB - Baker, Fenton

10 TOSS UP (50%)
1 RB - Thompson
2 WR - Kemp, Fountain
2 OL - Long, Allegretti, Tega Wanaho
1 DL - Ward
1 LB - Cobb
3 DB - Key, Watts, Keyes

Key makes it.

Dunerdr 08-23-2021 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15796314)
Great news for Clyde. Sounds like he should be ready to roll by week 1.

This cant be true i was told he had the same injury Michael Thomas had last year! Or maybe it is and whiney ass Thomas just milked it for all its worth.

Dunerdr 08-23-2021 11:02 AM

Also kind of surpised that Will Parks was cut.

staylor26 08-23-2021 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 15796317)
This cant be true i was told he had the same injury Michael Thomas had last year! Or maybe it is and whiney ass Thomas just milked it for all its worth.

LMAO

“Some random Twitter user said it’s the same exact injury Michael Thomas had!”

Dante84 08-23-2021 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 15796313)
Robinson. 2X

Good man. Updated, thanks.

Direckshun 08-23-2021 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 15796315)
I’d switch Kaindoh and Saunders. Kaindoh won’t be cut, but he could end up on the practice squad. Andy has praised Saunders a few times. I think Saunders also got the start against the Cardinals too, right?

Kaindoh can't go to the practice squad unless he's cut and every team gets a shot to snag him in waivers.

JakeF 08-23-2021 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 15796272)
Curious to see if/who Veach brings in from other teams cuts.

We really need a quality #2 WR. I don't know how we get it though.

Can Veach really pull off a trade for a quality WR at this point? Makes you wonder about Julio Jones now. He only played 9 games last year and still got 770 yards.

siberian khatru 08-23-2021 11:05 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> head coach Andy Reid said he believes DE Taco Charlton will continue to play in the NFL. Wishes he “hooks on” with another team, noted how young DE talent has been key in letting Charlton go.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1429849833498718214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dante84 08-23-2021 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 15796315)
I’d switch Kaindoh and Saunders. Kaindoh won’t be cut, but he could end up on the practice squad. Andy has praised Saunders a few times. I think Saunders also got the start against the Cardinals too, right?

I think you have to first be cut and make it through waivers to make it to the Practice Squad, and I was thinking that there's no way they cut a 4th rounder they traded up for.

I think Saunders is like 80-85% likely to make it, but with the spots so few this year, i put him in that probable group.

Dante84 08-23-2021 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13 (Post 15796316)
Key makes it.

I think it's about 70% on Key. Ideal practice squad player, but I don't think they put him through waivers either. We'll see!

smithandrew051 08-23-2021 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15796328)
I think you have to first be cut and make it through waivers to make it to the Practice Squad, and I was thinking that there's no way they cut a 4th rounder they traded up for.

I think Saunders is like 80-85% likely to make it, but with the spots so few this year, i put him in that probable group.

Yeah you’re right. Good point.

I’d still move Saunders to the Lock team though.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 08-23-2021 11:15 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said it was a tough decision to cut Taco Charlton, mentioning that younger defensive ends had performed better.<br><br>“I hope he hooks on somewhere,” Reid said of Charlton.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1429850125933948931?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Direckshun 08-23-2021 11:24 AM

I'm surprised by four of the five names released!

Anthony Gordon you kinda figured -- Buechele has made some sick throws this camp/preseason.

But I figured Parks was their backstop in case all these experiments they're running with Devon Key/Zayne Anderson/Juan Thornhill/Armani Watts fell apart. Clearly it means the Chiefs think they have some talent in that foursome -- possibly in all four. Watts has been playing with the 1s on special teams, and the other three have all gotten occasional reps with the 1s on defense.

Taco surprises me too, given that he and Frank Clark are essentially the only DEs who can go get their own sacks. The Chiefs clearly love Danna and have enough faith in Okafor, and are clearly bullish on Chris Jones at DE and continue to like Ward and Kaindoh as developmental talents. That said, I still think Taco would have made the team had he been healthy. Reid's compliments of Taco may suggest they could bring him back whenever Okafor goes down, as we all know will definitely happen.

Riley Cole made some noise for himself in the first preseason game, and Andy Reid has openly admitted that linebacker is a thin position. I figured Cole would get cut eventually, but I didn't think it would be this early. O'Daniel, Cobb, and Harris have clearly separated from him in camp, apparently. Sometimes these early cuts are not the "worst" players on the team but the players with the least chance to make the team.

I was a bit confused by the Witzmann signing, and I thought it was more significant than it was, apparently. Typically when you bring in a no-ceiling known quantity like Witzmann, you have plans for him. Not just for him to be a camp body for two weeks -- typically you reserve that dynamic for the more boom/bust prospects. So I'm not sure what designs they had there, or if they actively did have roster plans for Witzmann but he didn't show up well enough.

IowaHawkeyeChief 08-23-2021 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak (Post 15794989)
Agree...Kemp out...Fountain and Powell in. With only Tyreek a reliable receiver you can't keep a good Special Teams player over a receiver who can CATCH!

Kemp caught everything so far this year... tough call.

Direckshun 08-23-2021 11:26 AM

Guys,

Toub basically picks the 6th receiver, not Reid.

I'd be shocked if it wasn't Kemp.

ToxSocks 08-23-2021 11:27 AM

Fountain and Kemp in. Powell out.

And it wouldn't be the first time they cut a rookie 4th round pick.

RealSNR 08-23-2021 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15796325)
We really need a quality #2 WR. I don't know how we get it though.

Can Veach really pull off a trade for a quality WR at this point? Makes you wonder about Julio Jones now. He only played 9 games last year and still got 770 yards.

We're going to need a position here or there the rest of Mahomes' career now that he's not on a rookie contract.

It's fine. We're fine. We'll be fine.

suzzer99 08-23-2021 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15796309)
3 ST - Butker, Townsend, Winchester

Has a team ever tried to teach a regular center, or some other position player, to be a long-snapper? It seems like such a ripe position to grab an extra roster spot.

ToxSocks 08-23-2021 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15796367)
Fountain and Kemp in. Powell out.

And it wouldn't be the first time they cut a rookie 4th round pick.

To expand on that, i think Kemp is the 5th WR. The real battle is between Powell and Fountain. Neither look like ST standouts.

IowaHawkeyeChief 08-23-2021 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ku_jhawk23 (Post 15796247)
With the way Fountain looked....any chance he makes it? I assume we will keep 6 WR....Hill, Hardman, Pringle, Robinson, Kemp (ST), and Powell. Is there any reason to keep Robinson instead of Fountain? I just can't think of anything Robinson does of value.

Robinson isn't getting cut, nor should he...

suzzer99 08-23-2021 11:31 AM

The pundits seem to think we're trying to hide Powell so we can sneak him onto the practice squad.

Also what's the difference between released and waived?

Direckshun 08-23-2021 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15796370)
We're going to need a position here or there the rest of Mahomes' career now that he's not on a rookie contract.

It's fine. We're fine. We'll be fine.

I think it's possible that Clyde/McKinnon and Gray/Fortson compensate for the lack of Watkins-production at the WR2.

Direckshun 08-23-2021 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 15796377)
Also what's the difference between released and waived?

I think waived means you're subject to waivers.

Released means no waivers.

MGRS13 08-23-2021 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15796309)
The way I see it, there are 39 locks and 11 probables for a total of 51, leaving about 3 roster spots with 10 guys in the 50%+ category.

There are going to be some tough decisions, and a lot of quality players who are going to be cut next week.


39 LOCKS (90%+)
2 QB - Mahomes, Henne
3 RB - CEH, Williams, McKinnon
2 TE - Kelce, Gray
5 WR - Hill, Hardman, Robinson, Pringle
7 OL - Brown, Thuney, Humphrey, Smith, Niang, Remmers, LDT
7 DL - Jones, Wharton, Nnadi, Danna, Reed, Clark, Kaindoh
7 DB - Matheiu, Thornhill, Sorensen, Sneed, Ward, Hughes
4 LB - Hitchens, Bolton, Gay, Niemann*(special teams)
3 ST - Butker, Townsend, Winchester

11 PROBABLE (75%+)
1 RB - Burton
2 TE - Bell, Fortson
1 WR - Powell
3 OL - Remmers, Wylie, Blythe
2 DL - Saunders, Okafor
1 DB - Baker, Fenton

10 TOSS UP (50%+)
1 RB - Thompson
2 WR - Kemp, Fountain
2 OL - Long, Allegretti, Tega Wanaho
1 DL - Ward
1 LB - Cobb
3 DB - Key, Watts, Keyes

Kemp, fountain,ward,Cobb,key. A good player or players gets cut here and plays well for another team. These are tough cuts.

suzzer99 08-23-2021 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15796381)
I think waived means you're subject to waivers.

Released means no waivers.

And I guess the main advantage of waivers is they're eligible for the practice squad if they clear.

I wonder if there's a quota of waive versus release.

Also I assume veterans of a certain status can't be waived?

Dante84 08-23-2021 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15796367)
Fountain and Kemp in. Powell out.

And it wouldn't be the first time they cut a rookie 4th round pick.

Powell is a 6th rounder, and was a late bloomer in college. He is the *perfect* PS candidate. I hope he sprains a toe this weekend and ends up on IR.

JohnnyHammersticks 08-23-2021 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 15796372)
Has a team ever tried to teach a regular center, or some other position player, to be a long-snapper? It seems like such a ripe position to grab an extra roster spot.

Thought this exact same thing last week. Blows my mind that teams use a roster spot for someone who's exclusively a long-snapper. Guess it's due to not wanting to take practice time away from the 2nd string center.

IowaHawkeyeChief 08-23-2021 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 15796372)
Has a team ever tried to teach a regular center, or some other position player, to be a long-snapper? It seems like such a ripe position to grab an extra roster spot.

Every team has a designated long snapper... Every college team, even most in DIII, have a dedicated long snapper. The speed and accuracy could win or lose you 2-4 games a year...

IowaHawkeyeChief 08-23-2021 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15796325)
We really need a quality #2 WR. I don't know how we get it though.

Can Veach really pull off a trade for a quality WR at this point? Makes you wonder about Julio Jones now. He only played 9 games last year and still got 770 yards.

Nah, as I predicted since before the draft, if this new and improved offensive line is close to what we think it will be, Mahomes will have time to find his 3rd read and he will make JAGs look special, as did other future HOF QB's...

Dante84 08-23-2021 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 15796389)
Thought this exact same thing last week. Blows my mind that teams use a roster spot for someone who's exclusively a long-snapper.

Ideally a backup Center/Guard would double as your Long Snapper so he's not seeing game action and getting sweaty/injured/fatigued.

That said, you can't pussy foot around with a risky Long Snapper. If he's nails, you keep him and treat it like your home insurance bill.

AdolfOliverBush 08-23-2021 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 15796392)
Every team has a designated long snapper... Every college team, even most in DIII, have a dedicated long snapper. The speed and accuracy could win or lose you 2-4 games a year...

Plus, there's a decent chance your center will miss at least a little time due to injury. You don't to be missing your center and your long snapper.

Direckshun 08-23-2021 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 15796384)
Also I assume veterans of a certain status can't be waived?

Correcto.

kcclone 08-23-2021 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 15796372)
Has a team ever tried to teach a regular center, or some other position player, to be a long-snapper? It seems like such a ripe position to grab an extra roster spot.


I don't think you want your 315 lbs C running down the field covering punts.

suzzer99 08-23-2021 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kcclone (Post 15796405)
I don't think you want your 315 lbs C running down the field covering punts.

The rest of the backup linemen do.

smithandrew051 08-23-2021 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 15796392)
Every team has a designated long snapper... Every college team, even most in DIII, have a dedicated long snapper. The speed and accuracy could win or lose you 2-4 games a year...

Correct. A bad snap on a punt or field goal is almost always going to either cost your team points or give points to the other team.

It’s not worth it to carry a 7th WR.

Also, why risk the injury to that player and have to find someone else to snap? That timing is so precise.

Direckshun 08-23-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 15796412)
The rest of the backup linemen do.

There's no OL on the punt coverage team, I do not believe.

It's mostly LBs, DEs, and TEs along the interior.

ToxSocks 08-23-2021 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15796386)
Powell is a 6th rounder, and was a late bloomer in college. He is the *perfect* PS candidate. I hope he sprains a toe this weekend and ends up on IR.

We're both wrong, he was a 5th ROFL

I need to lay off the peyote.

But yes, i would not be surprised at all if he sprains a toe before final cuts.

Titty Meat 08-23-2021 11:51 AM

Not Taco :( he was a productive player when he played

kcclone 08-23-2021 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 15796412)
The rest of the backup linemen do.



LOL, offensive linemen?? No

The interior part of the punt team is usually LB's, FB, Safeties, occasionally DE's.

OL just aren't fast enough.

Dante84 08-23-2021 11:53 AM

Here's another way to think about it: with 39 absolute locks, there are 14 open roster spots for the 21 below players.

Pick your 7 cuts from the below list.

Burton
Bell
Fortson
Powell
Remmers
Wylie
Blythe
Saunders
Okafor
Baker
Fenton
Thompson
Kemp
Fountain
Long
Allegretti
Tega Wanaho
Ward
Cobb
Key
Watts
Keyes

Dante84 08-23-2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15796427)
We're both wrong, he was a 5th ROFL

I need to lay off the peyote.

But yes, i would not be surprised at all if he sprains a toe before final cuts.

lol whoops

Yeah, seriously hoping for a PS stash with him.

Direckshun 08-23-2021 11:55 AM

If those are my choices, then:

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15796435)
Burton
Bell
Fortson
Powell
Remmers
Wylie
Blythe
Saunders
Okafor
Baker
Fenton
Thompson
Kemp
Fountain
Long
Allegretti
Tega Wanaho
Ward
Cobb
Key
Watts
Keyes


MGRS13 08-23-2021 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 15796435)
Here's another way to think about it: with 39 absolute locks, there are 14 open roster spots for the 21 below players.

Pick your 7 cuts from the below list.

Burton
Bell
Fortson
Powell
Remmers
Wylie
Blythe
Saunders
Okafor
Baker
Fenton
Thompson
Kemp
Fountain
Long
Allegretti
Tega Wanaho
Ward
Cobb
Key
Watts
Keyes

Cuts or keeps?


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