This is ****ing gross, the O line simply isn't good enough

Mahomes is ALL ALONE out there, no one else is doing SHIT

Pretty sad that in 2 of our SBs the OL has been so overwhelmed that the team has no chance, this is inexcusable

Go fist your sister.

We're actually gonna get blown out tonight, wow

Lol they're not even going to try him at LT, even now? This might be the worst signing of Veachs career all things considered

This was painful to watch. We can only hope PMII survives the rest of the game.

They need to roll Caliendo into the piss soaked gutters of Bourbon street. Don't even stop the bus, let him tuck and roll like he's made PMII do all night.

They got Carter with an early pick. I’ve forgotten how they got it. A trade obviously, but I don’t recall the details.

*crickets*

Man, how bad must Humphries BE to not have made the switch at half-time here?

I mean, he must suck ass.

Either that, or Andy Heck can't unstick their head from their ass

This was just gross, it didn't have to be this way

I’m wondering if he’s not healthy or not in game shape. I wonder if the chief’s sign him to an extension. At least they may get a comp pick if he leaves.

He probably does, but it's not a given.

Reid is painfully slow to make changes at tackle. The pattern shows up all the way back to his time with the Eagles.

If he’s still not in game shape after being with the Chiefs for almost three months now then that is pathetic.

Yeah man, Heck has to go... the only thing he's developed is a case of the AIDS

I would have liked to have at least tried Humpries out to see what he can do now. That moves Thuney back to guard to help plug the middle.

But we didnt''''''

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/v2...44boxCSZ3nKzMI

We needed Thuney at guard. End of story.

This was one of the worst signings of the season

should have brought back the LT from last season if nothing else

The two Super Bowl losses that we had the first one against Tampa Bay, we had three starters out. This o-line that we have we have now we have two incompetent tackles and a duct tape left tackle that should be playing left guard. But like I said in an earlier post, even in our three Super Bowl wins Mahomes was never comfortable in the pocket, but luckily our offense finally started clicking. It never got started tonight.

I said it three games ago.

If we don't win the Super Bowl, Thuney at LT will be why.

And it was.

Can't say I take much joy in being right.

Einstein never said it, but the point stands.

I argued about this relentlessly in fear of what could happen down the road and sadly my fears were realised. DJ played three quarters alongside Thuney, Creed, Trey and Taylor. The hamstring happens and he never played alongside those guys again. And what makes it worse is the two games he did play he was facing the Chargers and Denver D-lines so he was thrown right into the deep end.

Hindsight is easy right now but you have to wonder what could have been had he got a fair shot at it. There was time to see a glimpse but Andy was too dug in with Thuney and that was it. Andy and co went for the "comfortable" route instead of being brave.

Adjustments weren't the plan tonight. It was more of trying the same thing and hoping for different results.

Humphries at LT doesn't save this game. The difference would probably be negligible.

It was a lottery ticket late in the year. I dont blame Veach at all for swining

Probably, but we never got to find out. If he holds his own, maybe we can send help on Taylor's side where he was getting constantly beat.

Yeah it was definitely an admirable shot, especially when trying for a three peat, but the LT position needs to be handled in the offseason, which Veach definitely didn't do in last year's offseason, he gets a solid F here for entering the season with Kingsley thinking we were good

That's fair.

Idk, I figured if we lost people were going to point to this as a big "What If" when it's really not.

If the coaching staff thinks Thuney at LT is a better situation, maybe Humphries is just ****ing bad lol. He would've gotten annihilated just like everyone else did.

It would have allowed Thuney to move back to LG and get Caliendo’s struggling ass out of the game.

I want to say “we should have played Humphries,” but I go back to the fact that the coaching staff sees him every day in practice. If the guy would have helped us win, he would have played in a second.

How much worse would it have been to make the switch to thuney to lG and put Dj in at left tackle

Yep, sorry, we weren't winning this with DJ at LT

Well if dj was worse, it might have got mahomes hurt.

Hard to imagine that Humphries was that bad in practices that he was completely unplayable in a game the Chiefs offensive line was getting owned.

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It just is what it is.

If you don't agree, then maybe we have a coaching problem, since they're the ones making the decision on this. I already suggested that Heck might be an issue if he's underacheiving with a 3 Pro-Bowler line.

I can't say for a fact it would've been better or worse, but there's no way Humphries was saving this game for us.

There is no “what if” here, once it was determined DJ was not ready to go in the divisional round the die was cast for the rest of the postseason.

The only thing left is to call out all of the Thuney is the answer at LT ball washers who ignored his first start in Cleveland so they could claim that he was doing a suitable job with out an offensive scheme change to help him out after that game. That offensive scheme that had helped him was not apparent tonight and Thuney didn’t look so good (no hate on him, he was playing out of position).

With one side it was about playing Humphries IF he was able to pull it off - with the other side it was just plain Thuney at LT no matter what!

But that is purely ChiefsPlanet business, at the end of the day it came down to Andy not having a game plan in place - and not being able to adjust - to work with what he had. It’s not often he gets flat out coached, especially after two weeks to prepare, but he is wearing clown shoes right now.

Just looking back I was calling for change after the Texans playoff game when Thuney gave up TWO SACKS and a ton of pressure along with the rest of the line. Andy came out and said he ain't changing things and I have no doubt Philly used that game as a foundation to attack this line.

he didn't look good at all the one game he played (it was 1 game right?)

The guy must be completely washed though

I still find it really really hard to believe that the long rest week wasn’t the final sprint to get humphries ready to start. And the way we got manhandled against Houston I think we truly regret it because after that point it was too late. That was the game where we had the leeway to make some mistakes and see what we had. I really feel like our decision to start thuney was mostly due to playing it safe and for continuity reasons

I honestly dont think it mattered. Once he was injured early, that was the kicker. Even if he was out there and somehow turned the clock back 3 years to an All-Pro level, and Thuney was back at guard..we got our asses kicked up and down both lines.

Someone needs to own the fact every player the Chiefs signed/drafted to play left tackle this season was completely unplayable in the Super Bowl.

Wanya
Kingsley
Humphries

That’s an epic failure to protect Mahomes’ blind side.

Our defense played decently well. It was the best anyone has played Barkley all year.

Thuney to LG would have made a huge difference. And hindsight is 20/20 but humphries probably wasn’t gonna be worse than how thuney played. So that means we kept everything the same except a huge upgrade at LG. That upgrade allows us to run the ball better which could open up the passing game just enough. As bad as we were we were 1-2 first half TDs from making it a game. And that upgrade could also have given us the first downs we needed to not get throttled on time of possession which is always gonna kill your defense

Yep. I was hoping they would open with Humphries at LT and Thuney at LG. That the time off, and not playing in the playoffs, had givin Humphries time. Was very concerned going up against the Eagles with a make-shift OL. Was thinking it could become another Tampa Bay SB debacle... I thought that maybe they had a plan B and they were going to switch to Humphries /Thuney in the second half. But when they didn't, I knew how this would end. They really had no chance against the Eagles DL as they played it. The duct tape approach at LT finally caught up with them.

In hindsight, Donovan Smith was probably the better option...he had experience in this offense and was relatively healthy. Why Veach went after Humphries if he was just going to waste a roster spot is beyond me.

You add to this that in the very first series, we have zero running backs in the backfield on at least one of the plays. If I’m defensive coordinator and I see that I’m like going pin your ears back they ain’t serious about running. We don’t have to worry about it.

I mean, Reid was rotating Humphries in with the ones all throughout the playoffs practices. He may just suck at this point in time.

Or they were too coward to try it? Because there's no way he could have been worse than Thuney imo.

its cowardice. theres no excuses. you could even see humphries standing with his helmet on visibly SHOCKED he wasn't getting the call to go in.

the media needs to be on andy's ass over this. this is the biggest ****ing game. everything these guys work for - and you're unwilling to even TRY a switch up as your qb is murdered on live television?

**** that pussy ass shit.

Smith was perfectly fine last year and they let him walk. And with all the bitching about OBJ he would have been just fine compared with what we had this year too.

Sometimes you gotta stop bitching about some positions when they are as good as they will get because the alternative can, as we saw, be infinitely worse.

What really hurts to think about is Reid’s initial script was to not run the ball at all. He’s not stupid or that stubborn. He knew that was doomed. So he knew we were gonna have our hands full on the inside. I still can’t entirely comprehend why there wasn’t even a contingency to consider rotating thuney back to LG. I love Reid to death but it’s not out of character for this decision to be very largely driven by wanting continuity.

he was decent last year, not great. but a lot better than Thuney at LT.

Guys, this really isn't the time to play I Told You So.

Thuney got wrecked last night. It is what it is. I wanted DJ in there as bad as anyone but it didn't happen. This team is a dynasty, you gotta take the bad with the good because it's the good still outweighs the bad by a country mile.

It’s just therapy bro, and your take is real good therapy.

Or he was just too stubborn to admit it. Everyone has their blind spot. That made no sense last night. Not even one drive to give it a shot, even when the game was lost, you would have thought you would want to see how it looks if you even think you want to try to sign him.

Maybe they have written him off, but if they do resign him, even for depth, it will make last night seem even more idiotic.

I know a lot of these posts were made in the heat of battle but shit. Calling this the worst signing of the year is laughable. He was signed in December off and ACL. We should not be in a position where that's where we need to find a LT. We've taken decent, even good shots at T in the draft. But it was just poor planning to come into the season counting on Morris and Kingsley. It may have been a little different story if Morris stays healthy but still. And maybe Morris work at right tackle is what tricked them. He looked completely different at RT. Maybe they expected LT to eventually click and it just didn't.

We paid 6mil that we could have rolled over onto the next year's cap for someone who played 3 quarters of actual football. In hindsight, I don't think you can get any worse.

I was all for it when we signed him but the results have been laughable.

Yep. Bump in the road aand LEARN from it. Reload and make another run next season.

I agree that the results have been laughable, but I'm pretty sure his cap hit was only $2.5m. It could have been worth up to $4.5m with incentives, but it's hard to imagine he would have hit any of them unless some of them were just "on the roster for a Super Bowl" kinds of things.

https://chiefsdigest.com/chiefs-d-j-...o-4-5-million/

There's no way this guy was good enough to start 10 days after we signed him or whatever it was, but suddenly so bad that Andy couldn't try something, anything, to plug the leak while his OL was getting butt****ed in the biggest game he'll ever coach in.

There's too many times in his career where Andy stands there like a deer in the headlights while his OL shits itself. Osi Umenyiora nearly breaking DT's single game sack record against the Eagles being Exhibit A. He only made the move to Thuney at LT after Mahomes came back to the sideline cussing and yelling after Morris gave up another instasack. For all we know that move never even happens if Mahomes doesn't react like he did.

Andy has a ton of flaws that have been covered up by Mahomes. Hence why he was fired by the Eagles.

Loyalty to bad coaches
Bad time management
Forgetting to run
Refusal to change the o line once the season starts

Well we may have a chance to see how much mahomes elevates Reid when he retires and mahomes plays the twilight years with a new coach.

On the flip side Morris has been inactive for weeks as well as Kingsley and Driskell. If Thuneys beat up what then? And IIRC its not 6mil guaranteed is it? I thought there was playing time incentives. Which is why it was thought he was told he would be the starter.

Humphries was a good signing. He still is an upgrade over Wanya. We just didn’t expect thuney to play better than expected .

What may have ****ed us was Wanya shitting the bed so badly. I wonder if things would have went different if we didn’t rush humphries to make his first start. His recovery timeline would have had him starting in the middle of our 3 games/11 day stretch. If he got meaningful end of season reps I wonder if it would have raised our confidence and worked out the kinks. I wonder if that reinjury in his first game set his conditioning backwards since it seemed like he was fine enough against Denver but just couldn’t finish the game. A lot of what ifs because I don’t want to close the door on the possibility that we can get him for cheap and he can be way better with a full offseason of rest

Things went so bad, so fast (and really, across the board) that the idea of an adjustment that would've saved anything is just wishful thinking.

If 'Pat didn't trust' Thuney, in what world was Humphries going to be the answer?

This thing was over the moment he threw the int at the 12. And A) it was a really good play by the LBer and B) that kind of jostle shouldn't yield that kind of throw.

Mahomes just didn't have it early and in the 2nd half the Eagles got to go into full attack mode.

There wasn't a miracle fix to be found for THAT sort of ass whupin'.

Those guys just game out sharper, faster and stronger than ours did. And when we needed PM to make a play or two to try to get the wings level, the plays didn't get made.

I still wonder what happens if we let Kingsley take his lumps. He was solid week 1 against pretty decent rushers from Baltimore. Probably should have let him simmer a little longer.

With Reid I feel like the history shows that it’s less about stubbornness and way more about continuity. He doesn’t like to disrupt something that’s working. For example his reluctance to use WRs until they completely understand the offense.

Loyalty and continuity.

Would love to get an answer from Reid why they didn't change up and put DJ in and move Thuney back to his All Pro position. Just dumb IMO. If you aren't going to play him why make him active.

The fact no team signed Smith this season is telling.

Teams didn't go crazy for Barkley either. The Chiefs didn't sign Smith because they figured their BYU guy would grow into the position. When that didn't work, they made a play at Humphrey. By then it was too late to sign Smith.

Yeah they just should have brought back Smith instead of DJ. Smith was tweeting at them several times this season to come get him. I am sure he was just going to play for them and no one else.

Smith was absolutely cooked last season. Essentially Wanya Morris numbers. And with a recurring neck issue. A ticking 300lb time bomb.

Yeah, his time here is up.

Def a rose colored glasses thing. He was barely better than Wanya LAST year who was bad bad.

If you could consistently win with good planning, 32 teams would win the SB each year.

Good planning gets you a little above .500

You are stuck taking calculated gambles trying to juggle a lot of moving parts with various contingencies plans that mostly suck.

Not all of your calculated gambles pay off.

Welcome to the NFL.

I gave never been impressed with Barkly. He had great blocking this year and went off. He can be stopped. We proved that. No rb is good wothout good blocking.

Maybe he has a plan for Humphries after this season? :shrug:

Let’s hope? If not, what a complete waste of Clark’s money. There was no reason to even sign the guy if you had no faith in him being ready to play.

The bigger earlier mistake was not having him play in pre-season.

I still think it's entirely possible hes the LT next year. He was coming off that knee injury and not even at his playong weight. A whole off season of S&C should get him there. Move Thuney back to LG and if he's even serviceable like that your left side of the line is fixed

Yeah - nobody's gonna like that answer.

But he's almost certain to be better than a rookie LT, no matter how high we take the LT in question (especially in a class that's pretty weak at OT).

And if we were to sign Robinson, he'd cost a lot more than folks will be happy with and not be anywhere near what people are going to expect from him for the kind of money he'll command.

It's awfully hard to trust his health, though.