He's 10x the player Escobar is. I cannot stand watching Alcides Berroa swing the bat.

Tampa 16-2 run now. Should've traded Myers for Andrew Friedman

Pretty much this. Sell. And noonoe is off limits save Gordon and Salvy.

Hos should be off-limits at this juncture, imo.

Dayton will not sell. His contract expires after next season...he's going to give it one last shot...I think Santana is re-signed going into next season...we'll try this again, this time hopefully without Getz or Franceour. When coaches start getting replaced (Brett coming in) and veterans start getting sent down for assignments (Franceour) the writing is on the wall IMO. I think we sign another pitcher via FA heading into next season to compliment Duffy returning at full strength next season...hopefully when it's time to trade Shields and Santana, then Ventura and Zimmer will be waiting to take over. Might be a pipe dream though.

Shields
Santana
Duffy

Not sure what we'd be able to get out of Billy Butler. I'm all for selling him if it means another SP. Try and trade or sign Raul Ibanez as a DH as a stop gap and just hope he doesn't need a wheelchair next season. All the mother****er has done this season is sit his fat ****ing ass on the bench, been a liability on the base path and pops out a lot. Didn't Butler set a major league record a couple seasons ago for most double plays hit into? (horrible phrasing I know).

Butler is a good hitter, with "some" power....but he can't lift the ball out of the park like these other sluggers around the league can. And it's not because of the ballpark we play in...that's so much bullshit. This guy can't even top 30HR's. None of our guys can. 30HR's in this day in age isn't shit anymore folks. It's ****ing sickening. We haven't had a 30HR guy since Dye. Beltran did it the year we traded him but so what ..he didn't finish the season w/ us so what good does it to include him in that conversation?

We've sold our souls w/ these little dick 20-25HR guys like Sweeney, Guillen, and now Butler ...and probably Hosmer Gordon and Moose when it's all said and done. This team has no ****ing power. Just little league small ball baby shit. I'm sick n tired of it. You can't win without hitting the god damn long ball.

The ****? There isn't an untouchable piece on this Roster.

With his contract and ability I'd say Perez is untouchable.

Hos is cost controlled for the next three years and has hit .290 this year while showing good plate discipline and even starting to get back some pop. If we could get him extended, that would be even better.

I'm not really adding much, but I would like to point out that Francouer's with the Giants if you didn't know already.

Which mkds him tht much more desirable with the right team if we get something of value.

So we're just going to start trading away our prospects as they hit arbitration? How do you EVER expect to win using that model?

It's not about winning anymore, it's about maintaining a feeling of "hope". It's all we know.

Also, how is Gordon untouchable when he only has two years of cost control, is heading out of his prime and is performing basically at the same level as Hosmer offensively?

You're not going to get anything close to equivalent value for Hosmer in moving him at this time. Not that helps you as much as he has the potential to.

I'm still waiting to see how he does over the rest of the season, but he has been a .300/.360/.520 hitter since June 1. Which basically is the hitter everyone thought he could be entering the 2012 season.

You could move him for prospects, but you're not going to get a guy who has a reasonable shot to hit .300/.360/.550 next season, with 30 HR/ 35 2B.

The Royals need that kind of thump to win in 2014, 2015 and 2016.

I am surprised at the negativity in here. The Indians and Tigers both lost two of three to start the second half. It was a pretty good weekend for us. :shrug: