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Coochie liquor 05-30-2023 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 16964062)
wait til you see Donovan Smith…next to Joe MOTHER****ING Thuney

Fyp, Showtime!

Bump 05-30-2023 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16963803)
If we didn't have a beat up Mahomes and almost ALL OF OUR RECIEVERS ****ING OUT, it wouldn't even have been close.

right!

they lost Boyd but we were down to Marcus Kemp lol

tredadda 05-30-2023 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16964236)
Ah, now I get it.


No, I didn't say it was equivalent. I said losing several starters along your OL would change how well the team executed its offense, and I used the KC SBLV team as an obvious example of how that's true. There's several other examples, but i know everyone remembers that team/game, so that's the one i used.


You're getting into the actual results of a particular game. I'm simply referring to a well-known game, but my point is just that losing several starters from an OL will necessarily reduce that team's efficiency on offense.


And we almost didn't win that game. In the end, it took a slow start by CIN, a pair of uncharacteristic INTs by Burrow, a career performance from MVS, and it literally took a great return from a much-maligned rookie WR and a terrible roughing penalty for KC to win that game. Terrible as in, what was Ossai thinking???

Look, I'm not making excuses for CIN, I just noticed that no one seemed to remember that they weren't at their best either. We beat them yes, but that wasn't the same team we faced earlier in the season. They were a little banged up in the AFCCG.

I will agree with you that losing some starting Olinemen will affect the offense some, but that team had more than enough firepower left to offset it. Losing your top WRs and having your mobile QB hobbled with a high ankle sprain reduces a team's efficiency on offense. Did certain things go right for KC? Sure. But let's not forget the uncharacteristic fumble by Mahomes with KC driving that cost them at minimum 3 points if not possibly 7.

It took a lot for Cincy to even be in that game. If memory serves me wasn't one INT called back and another dropped? Cincinnati got lucky that went their way. Pacheco had a TD called back on a very weak, questionable hold as well. If anything Cincinnati was fortunate it wasn't a blowout. KC had to make adjustments that the Bengals could not.

They may not have been at their best, but they were still far healthier than KC, especially at the one position that mattered most.

TomBarndtsTwin 05-30-2023 07:53 PM

Do people not realize Smith was one of the best pass blockers in the NFL in 2021?

Last year, he battled through injuries all year long. He was, admittedly, not good.

The Chiefs are betting on health and a bounce back year.

I like the bet.

tredadda 05-30-2023 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 16964256)
Do people not realize Smith was one of the best pass blockers in the NFL in 2021?

Last year, he battled through injuries all year long. He was, admittedly, not good.

The Chiefs are betting on health and a bounce back year.

I like the bet.

Andy knows Oline. If he is on board with this, then I am as well.

Megatron96 05-30-2023 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16964255)
I will agree with you that losing some starting Olinemen will affect the offense some, but that team had more than enough firepower left to offset it. Losing your top WRs and having your mobile QB hobbled with a high ankle sprain reduces a team's efficiency on offense. Did certain things go right for KC? Sure. But let's not forget the uncharacteristic fumble by Mahomes with KC driving that cost them at minimum 3 points if not possibly 7.

It took a lot for Cincy to even be in that game. If memory serves me wasn't one INT called back and another dropped? Cincinnati got lucky that went their way. Pacheco had a TD called back on a very weak, questionable hold as well. If anything Cincinnati was fortunate it wasn't a blowout. KC had to make adjustments that the Bengals could not.

They may not have been at their best, but they were still far healthier than KC, especially at the one position that mattered most.



Well, yeah. I was never disagreeing with your argument about how things shook out. i agree with almost all of it.

Rasputin 05-30-2023 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 16964256)
Do people not realize Smith was one of the best pass blockers in the NFL in 2021?

Last year, he battled through injuries all year long. He was, admittedly, not good.

The Chiefs are betting on health and a bounce back year.

I like the bet.


:toast:

scho63 05-30-2023 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16964079)
I like u

I bet you say that to all the boys. ;)

Rasputin 05-30-2023 11:39 PM

Did the Bungles do anything with their interior line? Burrow is going be a whipping post. He will lead the league in getting sacked again.

T-post Tom 05-31-2023 06:07 AM

Boyd, Hilton & Burrow drink Bud Light & shop at Target.

Coochie liquor 05-31-2023 07:16 AM

The wildest thing I heard is after 3 years, Chase is still the youngest receiver on their roster. Even with the rookies.

kcgreene 05-31-2023 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 16964256)
Do people not realize Smith was one of the best pass blockers in the NFL in 2021?

Last year, he battled through injuries all year long. He was, admittedly, not good.

The Chiefs are betting on health and a bounce back year.

I like the bet.

Posted this on the Donovan Smith Signing thread, but its fitting here too apparently.

Regular Season Stats:

2022 Orlando allowed 2.765 pressures per game

2022 Wylie allowed 2.88 pressures per game

2022 (Mostly Injured) Donovan allowed 2.385 pressures per game

2021 (Healthy) Donovan allowed 1.765 pressures per game.

Pressure numbers are from PFF.

I think he'll fit in just fine.

Not to mention how Mahomes Pressure to Sack Ratio makes his Oline even better (Somewhere around 11% for his career I believe while no other QB in that timespan is lower than 14.5% or something like that, trying to find the stat on that).

Titty Meat 05-31-2023 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 16964615)
Posted this on the Donovan Smith Signing thread, but its fitting here too apparently.

Regular Season Stats:

2022 Orlando allowed 2.765 pressures per game

2022 Wylie allowed 2.88 pressures per game

2022 (Mostly Injured) Donovan allowed 2.385 pressures per game

2021 (Healthy) Donovan allowed 1.765 pressures per game.

Pressure numbers are from PFF.

I think he'll fit in just fine.

Not to mention how Mahomes Pressure to Sack Ratio makes his Oline even better (Somewhere around 11% for his career I believe while no other QB in that timespan is lower than 14.5% or something like that, trying to find the stat on that).

There is no scenario where Smith was better than Brown past year

kcgreene 05-31-2023 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16964917)
There is no scenario where Smith was better than Brown past year

I think that blanket statements like that can easily be wrong.

I don't think he's better, I think that data concludes he's an effective pass blocker, ESPECIALLY when healthy. Don't get me wrong, he has penalty issues, and that very well could come back to bite us, but a lot of people are acting as if this is a significant drop off when it's minor at most in my opinion.

Breaking down Pressure to snap ratio, OBJ allowed pressure on 6.5% of snaps in 22, and 5.0% of snaps in 21, compared to 5.22% and 3.9% respectively for Smith (Regular Season numbers)

He's nowhere as effective a run blocker as OBJ in my opinion, but that can still work with our offense.

On the whole, he has allowed less pressures per opportunity than OBJ the last 2 years (even with the hyperextended elbow and foot problems). And don't get me wrong, part of that can be scheming, but I trust Heck and Andy here to bring the best out of him, injured or not.

kcgreene 05-31-2023 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 16964984)
I think that blanket statements like that can easily be wrong.

I don't think he's better, I think that data concludes he's an effective pass blocker, ESPECIALLY when healthy. Don't get me wrong, he has penalty issues, and that very well could come back to bite us, but a lot of people are acting as if this is a significant drop off when it's minor at most in my opinion.

Breaking down Pressure to snap ratio, OBJ allowed pressure on 6.5% of snaps in 22, and 5.0% of snaps in 21, compared to 5.22% and 3.9% respectively for Smith (Regular Season numbers)

He's nowhere as effective a run blocker as OBJ in my opinion, but that can still work with our offense.

On the whole, he has allowed less pressures per opportunity than OBJ the last 2 years (even with the hyperextended elbow and foot problems). And don't get me wrong, part of that can be scheming, but I trust Heck and Andy here to bring the best out of him, injured or not.

Forgot to include, his foot speed is substantially better than OBJs in my opinion, and he should be substantially better against the speed rush.


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