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Originally Posted by ZachKC

I don't have much scorn for Catholicism itself...but I do in away because I distrust and dislike organized religion in itself. And it doesn't get much more organized than that.

I believe the word has been hijacked and chewed up and spit out so many times for so many things its not even funny.

But this isn't a debate I am interested in tonight so I will stop there. :)

Yep.

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

That's why organized religion is bullshit. I believe in God but not in Church.

My main gripe is that so many people see church as the end all "everything" of a religion.

I think church is one tool of many in someone's spiritual journey which is the most personal thing someone can have.

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

So massive corruption in the society and mass killing is OK as long as it's supported by the religious leaders? That is exactly what happened with Catholisism in the later middle ages.

You've made my point exactly. The leaders then were corrupt...just as many Churches are corrupt or immoral today, whether they be Catholic or Protestant.

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

That's why organized religion is bullshit. I believe in God but not in Church.

I can agree with that to some extent. I think there are a lot Churches that do a lot of good too. We sure don't hear about them much though. I do agree with some of Zach's views on this subject seeing how I don't really go to Church much, but I have strong belief in God.

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Originally Posted by Herzig

You've made my point exactly. The leaders then were corrupt...just as many Churches are corrupt or immoral today, whether they be Catholic or Protestant.

Yeah, but Catholic Church is the grand daddy of them all. The only religion I can respect is Hindu, only recently is it turning into a hate tool.

And, yeah, Zach I completely agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

So massive corruption in the society and mass killing is OK as long as it's supported by the religious leaders? That is exactly what happened with Catholisism in the later middle ages.

Or the Nazis...

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Originally Posted by Herzig

Kind of a funny story...

My freshman year in the dorms during one of the longer breaks they installed some kind of switch in everyone's room but they tossed around the place to do it.

When I got back I went into my room and my roomate was sleeping and his side looked clean but my side was a freaking mess. There was crap everywhere. I didn't leave it like that. On top of a heap of my stuff was a small brochure that had something to do with the local student group Cathlic ministry type thing. The kid that lived next door to me and was a friend walked in (he was Catholic) I looked at him and screamed "Dan! Catholics trashed my room over break!!" He looked at me and laughed and explained he accidently left the brochure in my room a few hours ago while talking to my roomate.

ROFL

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

So who really trashed it? JW's?

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

So who really trashed it? JW's?

Damn SMS matienence guys.

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

Damn SMS matienence guys.

Yeah, damn those Jehova's Witnesses.

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

Yes, the current Pope is indeed a person who could be called a saint. However, Catholisim is just plain wrong. Has been throughtout the history. I suggest you take European History AP and learn what kind of stuff they've been doing. Catholic Church was created in order to make money.

I am in AP European History.

i just want to know what is hidden in the Vaults of the Vatican...

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Uh oh.. I smell a catholic vs. mormon internet flame war brewing.

Close Mizz, but ya spelled moron with an extra "M" :thumb:

Ya know what goat boy…I was almost ready to concede to the fact you had grown up.
But no!
You start slamming the pope with snide remarks.
When YOU can speak 9 languages, and fluently read and write 12,

THEN you can try some trash talking. At least the man has an IQ higher than a Jar Jar Binks action figure, too bad you can’t say the same.

Dave:
…”Hmmm when the Catholics killed 10s of thousands of Jews in Spain I guess that didn't count. The Catholic Churchs hands are filthy in the blood of murder.”

And so are EVERY OTHER Religious organization which condoned sending troops to fight in wars through out the ages.

“Thow shalt not kill” Exodus 20:13

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t your fine president a church going man who as a religious person should know the 10 commandments, yet freely condon’s ANY ACTION including the killing of people to “Keep America safe” ?

No person in the history of mankind, who headed a large political or religious organization has NOT failed to blast that one all to hell.

Yeah the Catholics have their problems, but show me just ONE organization on earth run by Government, Religion, or common man that doesn’t.

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Originally Posted by Over-Head

Dave:…”Hmmm when the Catholics killed 10s
of thousands of Jews in Spain I guess that didn't count. The
Catholic Churchs hands are filthy in the blood of murder.”

And so are EVERY OTHER Religious organization which
condoned sending troops to fight in wars through out the ages.
“Thow shalt not kill” Exodus 20:13
No person in the history of mankind, who headed a large
political or religious organization has NOT failed to blast that
one all to hell.
Yeah the Catholics have their problems, but show me just
ONE organization on earth run by Government, Religion, or
common man that doesn’t.

Not trying to stir things up, but I think there is "ONE" worldwide religion that can stake claim and deserves a little historical credit. The JW's claim they are politically neutral and it is against their bible based religion to kill their fellow man. I remember there was a guy at a body shop who painted a car for me a few years ago, that was a JW. He told me of his and his fellow believers imprisonment during the Vietnam War because of his religious beliefs. I totally gained respect for him and his religion after actually talking to him and hearing about his story and also the Nazi WW2 stories. Below are some Google links.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Hist...itnesesses.asp
"They will not serve in the military....."

http://www.baycrest.org/Spring%202001/article12.htm
"Out of obedience to God and love of neighbor, Witnesses
would not join the Nazi Party......serve in the military, or
perform war-related work."

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/more_facts.html
"On September 15, 1939, the first conscientious objector, August Dickman, a Jehovah's Witness, who had refused military service, was publicly shot."