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siberian khatru 02-10-2005 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia
I'm guessing they all hope to secure a trade with the Chiefs each year. Lord knows if Carl got on the phone with Pioli he'd give up 2 complete drafts in a row for the Patriots 5th rounder in 2020.

That might be a fair swap if we'd let Pioli pick the player for us.

Phobia 02-10-2005 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru
That might be a fair swap if we'd let Pioli pick the player for us.

Thanks a lot. It was funny until I thought about it.

NaptownChief 02-10-2005 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru
That might be a fair swap if we'd let Pioli pick the player for us.


ROFL

Inspector 02-10-2005 10:10 PM

I'm beginning to think Rich Gannon has a voodoo doll shaped like the Chiefs.

....sitting in his room at night, poking those little needles.....

Lancetastic 02-10-2005 10:12 PM

Not to be a major apologist but I imagine that most teams would have traded a third round pick for Roaf after seeing his performance the last few years. And do you really think we would have done much with the 3rd round pick anyway? It baffles me that over the Vermeil era our late round picks have by and large exceeded the performance of our early ones. No Julian Battle type this year though!

Manila-Chief 02-10-2005 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lancetastic
Not to be a major apologist but I imagine that most teams would have traded a third round pick for Roaf after seeing his performance the last few years. And do you really think we would have done much with the 3rd round pick anyway? It baffles me that over the Vermeil era our late round picks have by and large exceeded the performance of our early ones. No Julian Battle type this year though!

I think the point here is ... I know my point is ... Kingless does a poor job in the draft. If he does such a good job of drafting ... then where are all the impact D players we have drafted on the first day these last few years?? And, which side of the ball needs urgent help this year? Yes, every team hit every now and then on a late round pick. But, especially 1st. and 2nd. round pick ought to really help your team.

"apologist" ... I say you are making a great point. Seems the best way CP has used draft picks is to trade them for established players. Yea, he misses every now and then (Welborn) but IMHO he does better trading them (you mentioned Roaf ... Green, etc.)

We need help at CB, LB, and DL ... I will not be disappointed at all if he were to trade picks for proven players coz we do such a poor job of drafting.

Maybe the scouting dept. fault but guess who hired them????

Mr. Kotter 02-10-2005 10:31 PM

That sucks. :banghead:

Rausch 02-10-2005 10:36 PM

I'm not going to bitch anymore about Peterson trading our 1st round pick for players.

Lord knows he's done better trading than using the pick in the draft.

morphius 02-10-2005 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarASS
apples and oranges

yes, we did suck but it's really pretty irrelevant to the job that carl does as a GM

just because steadman sucked worse, doesn't mean that carl doesn't suck.


CP = good president
CP = good CEO
CP = crappy GM


beside the financial landscape changed at almost the precise time that carl took over. The ability to achieve financial success and relative team parity increased 100x when the NFL change free agency etc to increase parity.


Carl peterson's job is twice as easy as Jack Steadman's was imo

You may call it apples and oranges, but we are still in nearly the same boat, just not very good and not winning playoff games. Sure the enviornment is different, but we still are not winning any playoff games. I guess I don't see the difference, we sucked, we sucked less, we suck again, woo hoo.

|Zach| 02-10-2005 11:05 PM

Shitty news...

Soupnazi 02-10-2005 11:10 PM

Oh well, just one less 3rd round pick that we'll have to bitch about CP screwing up.

Manila-Chief 02-10-2005 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius
You may call it apples and oranges, but we are still in nearly the same boat, just not very good and not winning playoff games. Sure the enviornment is different, but we still are not winning any playoff games. I guess I don't see the difference, we sucked, we sucked less, we suck again, woo hoo.

Agree with you!

I guess it is all in your purpose for the team. If you see it as entertainment ... then you can be a "homer" and be satisfied with what Kingless has done. If your goal is to celebrate a S.B. victory then there is lots of room to complain.

And, yes, you are right on the money ... not winning a play off game in a dozen years is no better than the Steadman years. Close is okay for horseshoes and handgranades ...

Those of us who have been around since the mid 60's would like to see the Chiefs at least play in another S.B. and soon!!!!

htismaqe 02-11-2005 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius
You may call it apples and oranges, but we are still in nearly the same boat, just not very good and not winning playoff games. Sure the enviornment is different, but we still are not winning any playoff games. I guess I don't see the difference, we sucked, we sucked less, we suck again, woo hoo.

Yup.

I put this in my avatar so I wouldn't have to keep saying it...sigh.

> bad ≠ good

Abba-Dabba 02-11-2005 06:03 AM

A 3rd round pick? Great!

That's just one less draftee I get to bitch about.

whoman69 02-11-2005 09:22 AM

Too bad it wasn't a 2nd rounder instead. We haven't had a decent 2nd round draft pick since Reggie Tongue.


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