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luv 09-08-2005 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz
ah ... but the people in NO weren't going around telling this church how to live/feel/act.


the difference is who is try to shove their beliefs onto other people.


one side is just living

the other side is trying to judge/condemn how everyone else lives

They're trying to shove their beliefs by posting something on a sign on their property? Aren't you passing judgement on them by saying that? You tell someone you think the Chiefs are the best football team. They disagree, so you talk about it. Are you shoving that on them? Do you have Chiefs emblems on any of your automobiles? Do you give people crap for being a Denver or Oakland fan? Difference is, one is sport, which you enjoy, and the other is religion, which you don't enjoy.

Swanman 09-08-2005 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man
I wonder if the preacher would've put this sign up if his mother or sibling had died in the flood.

I bet he would say that he would still put the sign up regardless of what happened, but if he had a loved one die in the flood, I guarantee he wouldn't put up the sign. He's a hypocrite ass.

I understand there are lots of "sinners" in NO, but what about Gulfport and the 100 miles of shoreline wiped out? What's his story then?

Bowser 09-08-2005 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PennyWise
That sign shoud read 'Welcome to Tyler! The asshole of Texas.'

Now THAT'S a statement....

ROFL

Bowser 09-08-2005 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by luv2rite
They're trying to shove their beliefs by posting something on a sign on their property? Aren't you passing judgement on them by saying that? You tell someone you think the Chiefs are the best football team. They disagree, so you talk about it. Are you shoving that on them? Do you have Chiefs emblems on any of your automobiles? Do you give people crap for being a Denver or Oakland fan? Difference is, one is sport, which you enjoy, and the other is religion, which you don't enjoy.

I don't think there has been thousands of people lose thie homes or lives at a football game.

Bottom line....this guy put this sign up for selfish purposes. He wanted attention, and according to this thread, he got it. But in the end, people really should just ignore this guy and his church. That would do more damage than people bickering over what the meaning of the message really is.

jspchief 09-08-2005 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by luv2rite
They're trying to shove their beliefs by posting something on a sign on their property? Aren't you passing judgement on them by saying that? You tell someone you think the Chiefs are the best football team. They disagree, so you talk about it. Are you shoving that on them? Do you have Chiefs emblems on any of your automobiles? Do you give people crap for being a Denver or Oakland fan? Difference is, one is sport, which you enjoy, and the other is religion, which you don't enjoy.

I don't know about shoving their beliefs on people, but they are making a pretty obnoxious statement. I don't think the comparison to a Chiefs emblem is accurate.

It's disrespectful, and in poor taste. But it is also well within his constitutional rights to put that sign up.

That doesn't stop me from hoping his house gets washed away in a flash flood tonight.

Mr. Laz 09-08-2005 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by luv2rite
They're trying to shove their beliefs by posting something on a sign on their property? Aren't you passing judgement on them by saying that? You tell someone you think the Chiefs are the best football team. They disagree, so you talk about it. Are you shoving that on them? Do you have Chiefs emblems on any of your automobiles? Do you give people crap for being a Denver or Oakland fan? Difference is, one is sport, which you enjoy, and the other is religion, which you don't enjoy.

your actually comparing sports discussion/sports competition where part of the "fun" is competing with the other team and fans with a church basically saying that the people in New Orleans deserved to die? :spock:




AND YES putting this sign up is pushing their religious beliefs onto other people.


if i put a sign up in my yard that says "follow Allah and kill all americans" ... that is isn't aggressive?

Imon Yourside 09-08-2005 12:55 PM

Who cares? Big friggin deal, anyone who is offended by signs anymore needs to get out and see more of the world. I am a Christian but seeing that sign would make me think that preacher hasn't a clue and to move on. I wouldn't start up a campaign if i drove by a mosque and saw something to offend Christians. Move along nothing to see here.

Now on to some things that do offend me

Gas Prices
Pissing in public (yes i've offended myself a few times)
chair throwing escapades (hey hal have you broken any chairs lately)
the royals and baseball in general
pete prisco
door to door watch salesmen
hidden camera's whilst i'm speeding
a possible dirtnap in my not so distant future
things that are purple (sorry saul)

i could go on but would anyone care? :p

luv 09-08-2005 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser
I don't think there has been thousands of people lose thie homes or lives at a football game.

Bottom line....this guy put this sign up for selfish purposes. He wanted attention, and according to this thread, he got it. But in the end, people really should just ignore this guy and his church. That would do more damage than people bickering over what the meaning of the message really is.

Although I was talking of people thinking Christians shove their beliefs in general, I completely agree with you.

Hi-ho, hi-ho. It's of to work I go!

luv 09-08-2005 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz
your actually comparing sports discussion/sports competition where part of the "fun" is competing with the other team and fans with a church basically saying that the people in New Orleans deserved to die? :spock:

Absolutely not. I was commenting on your statements of Christians shoving their beliefs on people. There are some who do, but it's unfair to make generalizations. People do the same thing s with politics, sports teams, etc.

I apologize if I sounded like I think the people in NO deserved to die. I could not disagree with that more. I hope you don't think I would ever think that.

HolyHandgernade 09-08-2005 01:00 PM

The Preacher is wrong.

In Genesis God promised he would not destroy the world for its sins by flood ever again. It must either be the vengence of some other God who made no promises to Noah.........or George Bush.

-HH

Mr. Laz 09-08-2005 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN
Who cares? Big friggin deal, anyone who is offended by signs anymore needs to get out and see more of the world. I am a Christian but seeing that sign would make me think that preacher hasn't a clue and to move on. I wouldn't start up a campaign if i drove by a mosque and saw something to offend Christians. Move along nothing to see here.

ahh ... but it is a big deal because this church holds a position of power and influence over people of faith.


when the the religious dudes in the middle east say "go kill americans in the name of Allah" it's breeding hate in the name of religion.


this sign is also breeding condemnation and hate etc

Boyceofsummer 09-08-2005 01:02 PM

Love the avatar.................
 
]Never would have expected a Fire and Brimstone Baptist to put up a sign like this. [/sarcasm]

What a clown.[/QUOTE]

The best avatar, evah.

Mr. Laz 09-08-2005 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by luv2rite
I apologize if I sounded like I think the people in NO deserved to die. I could not disagree with that more. I hope you don't think I would ever think that.

didn't think you did...


but that's what that sign basically says




a huge difference between debate sports or politics and that sign imo

Imon Yourside 09-08-2005 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz
ahh ... big it is a big deal because this church holds a position of power and influence over people of faith.


when the the religious dudes in the middle east say "go kill americans in the name of Allah" it's breeding hate in the name of religion.


this sign is also breeding condemnation and hate etc

I would say you take life way to seriously, go read the rest of my post.

chagrin 09-08-2005 01:03 PM

Yeah, and Osama speaks for God too


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