ChiefsPlanet
Page 5 of 6 1234 5 6
Show 80 post(s) from this thread on one page

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   For all the reeruns complaining about Trent Green's "rag arm" (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=129613)

philfree 11-23-2005 10:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13
I wonder if Trent would have better numbers along the sidelines if we had better WR's. Trent's QB rating when throwing to each sideline is below 70. He's got a 109.5 rating down the middle of the field though.

He's actually 8-12 with a 109.7 rating on passes thrown 20-30 yards. Pretty good actually. If you want your "I never would've guessed" stat of the week, Trent Green is 10-23 passing beyond 20 yards. Peyton Manning is 10-34 passing beyond 20 yards. Although Manning has 6 TD/3 INT in that range. Trent's just got 0 TD/1 INT. Kinda shows how we can't throw downfield as much though...
Being able to throw down field is dependant on pass blocking and the amount of time the QB has to set up and throw. That does make it more interesting in regards to Mannings numbers throwing the ball down field. From what I've seen the Colts O line has been playing better than ours so one would think that Manning would have better numbers over 20 yards then Green.

PhilFree:arrow:

BigMeatballDave 11-23-2005 10:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beer bacon
We are never going to be able to win with a mediocre QB like Trent. What has this guy ever done for us?
Some teams win with QBs that are not as good as Green. 2 words, Trent Dilfer...

beer bacon 11-23-2005 10:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigChiefDave
Some teams win with QBs that are not as good as Green. 2 words, Trent Dilfer...
This brings up another important point. What has Green ever done for our defense? NOTHING. Sure he has led one of the greatest offenses of this century, but he can't field a defense worth a shit. Way to go Trent!! Tom Brady would never allow our defense to be so horrible :cuss:

Hammock Parties 11-23-2005 10:51 PM
I hope everyone appreciates beer bacon's sarcasm. ROFL

OldTownChief 11-23-2005 10:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beer bacon
This brings up another important point. What has Green ever done for our defense? NOTHING. Sure he has led one of the greatest offenses of this century, but he can't field a defense worth a shit. Way to go Trent!! Tom Brady would never allow our defense to be so horrible :cuss:
You had me going there for a minute bacon.

Rep

cdcox 11-23-2005 11:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca
Sometimes you need a top 5 player. If you know what you're doing in the draft you should never ever blow a top 5 pick. Carl blew that Sims pick but that was the player DV and Robinson wanted so it's just as much their faults. Hopefully whoever the next coach is has a better eye for talent.

This year for example, there's a DE Mario Williams, he's Julius Peppers esq. Now that's a player a team like ours could really use but we'll never come close to touching him.
Yeah, top 5 picks are gold, baby!

2004
1. San Diego Chargers Eli Manning, QB - Mississippi
2. Oakland Raiders Robert Gallery, OT - Iowa
3. Arizona Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald, WR - Pitt
4. New York Giants Phillip Rivers, QB - NC State
5. Washington Redskins Sean Taylor, S - Miami (Fl.)

2003

1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB USC
2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami (Fla.)
4 NY Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State

2002
1. Houston David Carr QB Fresno State
2. Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina
3. Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon
4. Buffalo Mike Williams OT Texas
5. San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas

Bowser 11-23-2005 11:58 PM
I might be wrong, but I would bet that the Lions would take Andre Johnson over Charles Rogers right about now.

cdcox 11-24-2005 12:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Based on this and the fact the Chiefs have not had success in 35 years we are
DOOMED !!!!!
Yeah, the Chiefs prove my point, don't they? Suck long enough, and it becomes a hard habit to break. We sucked in the regular season from '73 - '90. Then sucked in the post season from '91- '97. Now we've been consistently mediocre from '98 - '05.

A nice fat losing streak is just what this franchise needs. NOT.

arrowhead20 11-24-2005 02:19 AM
the formula for converting speeds thrown would have to include: actual football throw speed, the weight of the football(15 oz), the distance thrown. compared to all of the above with a baseball. my wife has a bachelors in math, and she found that it takes less than half a second to throw a 5 oz baseball 60ft 6in @ 91 mph.
so, we figured that the statistitians clocked green's pass w/ radar and calculated it that way. we couldnt break down the equation as far as to figure the actual pass speed w/ the 15oz football, but we guesstimaed his throw time to be about 1.37 sec from green's hand to kennisons chest.
hope this helps everyones curiosity.

Chieftain58 11-24-2005 08:52 AM
Physics? Is that some type of cereal?

OldTownChief 11-24-2005 08:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arrowhead20
the formula for converting speeds thrown would have to include: actual football throw speed, the weight of the football(15 oz), the distance thrown. compared to all of the above with a baseball. my wife has a bachelors in math, and she found that it takes less than half a second to throw a 5 oz baseball 60ft 6in @ 91 mph.
so, we figured that the statistitians clocked green's pass w/ radar and calculated it that way. we couldnt break down the equation as far as to figure the actual pass speed w/ the 15oz football, but we guesstimaed his throw time to be about 1.37 sec from green's hand to kennisons chest.
hope this helps everyones curiosity.

After all that you guesstimated? Hell I coulda done that,

patteeu 11-24-2005 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arrowhead20
the formula for converting speeds thrown would have to include: actual football throw speed, the weight of the football(15 oz), the distance thrown. compared to all of the above with a baseball. my wife has a bachelors in math, and she found that it takes less than half a second to throw a 5 oz baseball 60ft 6in @ 91 mph.
so, we figured that the statistitians clocked green's pass w/ radar and calculated it that way. we couldnt break down the equation as far as to figure the actual pass speed w/ the 15oz football, but we guesstimaed his throw time to be about 1.37 sec from green's hand to kennisons chest.
hope this helps everyones curiosity.
Just FTR, the weight of the baseball doesn't have anything to do with how long it takes for the baseball to go 60ft 6in @ 91mph. You may already realize this, but I can't tell whether or not that's the case.

robot monster 11-24-2005 09:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu
Just FTR, the weight of the baseball doesn't have anything to do with how long it takes for the baseball to go 60ft 6in @ 91mph. You may already realize this, but I can't tell whether or not that's the case.
Well, no, but it has something to do with the force required to accelerate it to 91 mph

cdcox 11-24-2005 09:48 AM
In addition to the mass, you'd have to consider that the drag on the football will be much larger than the drag on a baseball.

The other thing about this equivalent stuff is that it ignores mechanics. I don't thing Green could just step up and throw a 91 mph fastball because he hasn't learned the mechanics of pitching.

Thig Lyfe 11-24-2005 10:15 AM
That was pretty nifty. I'm interested as to HOW they use physics to find the MLB equivalent.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:42 AM.
Page 5 of 6 1234 5 6
Show 80 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.