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People look at accepting a job in construction as accepting failure. So you rarely get someone who's driven to make a successful career from it. Instead, you get the guy that will do it until one Friday when he wakes up and decides it sucks too much, and moves on to his next job that he'll hold down for 6 months to a year. |
Is illegal immigration the new gay marriage?
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Yeah, I don't envy managers in the construction industry. I've been doing some research on low-wage employees, and the least stable of the lot almost invariably describe themselves as construction workers. It's uncanny.
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There is a lot of intrest amongst people I know in construction managment and things of that nature but overall your main point is very valid. I can only speak from my HS experience but I think its valid more so from the kid's perspective on it and less on the school's role. |
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But people need to realize that eliminating illegals will hit their pocket books. And the notion that there's a bunch of people that step into these jobs for a reasonable wage may be more than little off base. |
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Here is the real backbone behind the whole immigration problem. There are 3-4 million illegals in america working and receiving a paycheck in which Social Security is being deducted and payed into the system. That money goes to support social security with no way that it will be paid back to them because they are using an illegal SS number. Think about it. They are the ones supporting our retirement and the government knows it. |
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Anyone besides jspchief wanna take on Donger, or challenge the basic gist here? Are we missing something? :hmmm: |
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I also challenge the notion that people are going to move from city to city pursuing these low level jobs. And it's not just the increased wage. It's the increased expense of paying legals. I can pay someone $500 under the table and it costs me $500, but to pay that same person $500 legally, it costs me around $700. You can't in one breath admit that illegals equal cheap labor, and in the same breath say that the elimination of that cheap labor won't result in inflation in the industrries that use illegals heavily. |
I voted for "Crackdown harshly on businesses that are lazy, or who knowingly hire illegals" but I only favor this if verification is simple, cheap for the businesses, and hard to screw up. I'm very hesitant to put the enforcement burden on private businesses.
In general, I favor letting those who are here illegally and who wish to assimilate have a path toward citizenship. Increase legal immigration, deport criminals, and MOST OF ALL secure the border (whether that means a physical fence, a virtual fence, more border patrol, the military, or some combination). If we don't secure the border, none of the rest matters (and some of it, e.g. amnesty, will be counterproductive). |
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I think most will concede some inflation; I just think, in the long term, it wouldn't be as bad as some (you?) expect.... I realize Americans are cheap, but the bottom-line for me is....if the current system fosters illegal hiring by businesses, that needs to change--or the law needs to change, IMO. Saying the law is one thing, and then winking and looking the other way when businesses circumvent the law is not something we should encourage or be proud of, IMO. So either legalize it, or change the law. :shrug: |
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I think Donger is right. I think a marginal increase in pay, coupled with the fact there are enough workers who'd be willing to take on second jobs or part-time jobs....that much of the loss could be absorbed, over the long run. |
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