Originally Posted by htismaqe

The only thing that gives me confidence for THIS year (it doesn't exactly make me feel good, though) is that Gunther almost sounded like last season was a sacrificial year.

He made it sound like we didn't have the horses on defense last year to get it done, and he knew it early. So he put guys like Bell in there to learn the system, rather than to do what they were good at.

Originally Posted by sedated

He was actually a second round pick - number 39 overall.

looks like your reasoning might need adjustment :D

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

I skipped my morning coffee so perhaps I a bit slower than usual this morning, but what new "horses" do the Chiefs have this year as starters? Who are the new horses who are going to make a dramatic impact and make a big difference on D?

If Gun did in fact make it sound like last year was a sacrificial year (which I doubt) then screw him for wasting DV's final year and a twilight year of guys like Green, Roaf and Shields.

If Herm is going to want to play cover 2, I don't see how Bell's role is changed any for the better.

Originally Posted by Coogs

Gun is the only guy that DOESN'T give me confidence for this year. Damn, last season he specifically asked for Knight, Surtain, Bell, and Hall. Seems to me like he may have asked for one more too. He also had a 2nd year Allen, a vastly improved Mitchell, and a huge bonus in DJ. WTF does he mean he didn't have the horses to get it done and had to sacrifice the season?

IMO, he should have been thrown out the door with the old regime.

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I understand what you're saying and I'm right there with you. I can't stand Gunther.

But what's the point of going into next season thinking that we can't win as long as he's here?

I might as well root for another team if that's the case.

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The new horses are Hali and Pollard.

As for the rest of your post, I see your point.

Originally Posted by FAX

I may be alone in this, Mr. Otter, but I haven't given up on Bell as yet. I don't think he was used correctly last year (as many have said), but I also believe his shoulder was giving him more problems than many knew.

Additionally, I don't believe he whines, neg reps, or has contracted herpes, and he probably has a high sperm count, too.

FAX

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The new horses are Hali and Pollard.
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Two rookies are the horses to turn the page this year?

I love the Hali pick. But reality tells me, (a) Hicks (who is a Gunther favorite) is still going to get playing time, (b) rookie impact is always limited, (c) Hali's impact is going to be further limited by the sub-par performance of KC's DT's. and (d) Gun and Herm have already discussed moving Hali into a DT spot in some situations even further limiting, IMHO, Hali's impact.

As for Pollard, I'm coming around to liking the pick more than I did a week ago, but I don't see him unseating Knight, the defensive leader and brains of the team.

I also agree with what Coogs has already posted. First it was "I can win with the existing players, they just need a new scheme." Then it was "I really need this shopping list of players." The shopping list is obtained and then it is "I still need more."

Originally Posted by sedated

that post had nothing to do with what Gun said, or Gun at all.

Originally Posted by htismaqe

No, had everything to do with you being a jackass...

Note the smilies in the original thread starter.

Originally Posted by arc

I wonder if he means Battle starting at corner. I have a hard time seeing Pollard unseating Knight this season.

Originally Posted by el borracho

Yeah, of our current CBs I would guess that Battle is Gun's first choice to start. But Battle may or may not be healthy.

* Battle has size and (did have) speed and has some limited NFL experience. Battle was also Gun's choice to start last year and then hurt himself. Is he healthy enough to play and/ or start this year?
* Sapp has NFL experience but is not prototypical CB size and I think Gun puts a premium on size and speed. Will Sapp's experience override his physical shortcomings and keep him on the roster?
* Hodge has size but was a day 2 pick, has only practice squad experience and was selected before Herm got here. Will Hodge's practice squad experience earn him a roster spot over Maxey?
* Maxey has size and speed but was a day 2 pick. Obviously, Maxey has no NFL experience and only limited college experience but he was chosen in the Herm Edwards era. Will we try to sneak him onto the practice squad this year to gain experience or will Gun be enamored by his physical attributes?

Originally Posted by Frankie

I am begining to think he was replying to el borracho, not you. Even if that was the case I don't think el borracho's was so unrelated to the topic to merit such a reaction. Sedated would have done well to add something to the discussion, instead of just attacking someone.