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OnTheWarpath15 05-08-2007 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj
ROFL

Laugh all you want.

If Peterson feels it's better to pay Trent than give him away, then he's gonna be here, whether he likes it or not. Granted, he'll hold out, but:

What fits Carl's MO more?

Playing a rookie QB, winning 6 games and not having a full stadium.

or

Playing the fan favorite, winning 8-9 games, keeping butts in seats, and maybe squeaking out a playoff berth?

This won't happen, because Trent has already burned his bridges.

NewChief 05-08-2007 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Certainly. He's used to being coddled and this is rough on him.

He's also used to being able to actually throw the ball on some downs other than 3rd.

Buehler445 05-08-2007 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief
He's also used to being able to actually throw the ball on some downs other than 3rd.

And not running for his GD life every down.

htismaqe 05-08-2007 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief
He's also used to being able to actually throw the ball on some downs other than 3rd.

Ridiculous hyperbole.

Not an ounce of truth to it and the Gamelogs from last year prove it.

NewChief 05-08-2007 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Ridiculous hyperbole.

Not an ounce of truth to it and the Gamelogs from last year prove it.

Almost as ridiculous as your hyperbole that Trent's leaving the team because he isn't being coddled enough. I know better than to try to get into some protracted argument with you about it, though.

Chiefnj 05-08-2007 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58
Laugh all you want.

If Peterson feels it's better to pay Trent than give him away, then he's gonna be here, whether he likes it or not. Granted, he'll hold out, but:

What fits Carl's MO more?

Playing a rookie QB, winning 6 games and not having a full stadium.

or

Playing the fan favorite, winning 8-9 games, keeping butts in seats, and maybe squeaking out a playoff berth?

This won't happen, because Trent has already burned his bridges.

Trent is not going to play for KC in 2007.

Trent doesn't want to play in KC. Trent won't be given a real opportunity to win the job. Herm wants a younger QB. Herm doesn't want a risk taker at QB.

Plus, Green is no longer the fan favorite. 50% of the fan base turned on him last year and an additional 30-40% turned on him after his interview last week.

OnTheWarpath15 05-08-2007 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445
And not running for his GD life every down.

Then he shouldn't be going to Miami.

The OL there is no better off than ours.

htismaqe 05-08-2007 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief
Almost as ridiculous as your hyperbole that Trent's leaving the team because he isn't being coddled enough. I know better than to try to get into some protracted argument with you about it, though.

Trent leaving the team because he isn't coddled enough is based firmly on my own opinion.

You assertion that we only throw on 3rd down is something else entirely.

Nice try.

booger 05-08-2007 10:00 AM

The best way I can term a coddled DV player is High Maintenance. Specifically with Dante because of their close relationship. But Trent as well basically for the same reason.

Considering the circumstances how this has played out, last year and this offseason, I've felt that it is just a situation where it is time to move on. I respect Green and still like him ( not as much after the interview ) but with the open competition @ QB there is nothing good he could bring to this team. It's not in his personality.

Just look at his background from the start. 8th rd pick who went to the CFL to keep his dream alive. Bounced around and became the #3 guy in WASH. He obviously isn't the greatest athlete, not mobile, not the strongest arm, but he has the intelligance and the fact he has worked his way up the ladder and back from injuries that mold his character and obviously something he brings with him on the field to drive him.

Now look back at STL and his exit there. Obviously DV and Saunders were a huge part of that. If we didn't trade for him another team may have or maybe he would have had to settle and battle Kurt Warner in a not likely competition. Basically 6 years here with no danger at all of losing his job until the controversy when he was ready to come back from the concussion.

Also look at his tenure in KC. His "competition". Todd Collins, Bubby Brister, Jon Quinn, Joe Germaine, Damon Huard, and James Kilian. CP acted very interested in Harrington when we drafted Sims. He alluded to the fact a few times during Green's tenure that he wanted to explore drafting and grooming a QBOTF that Carl hadn't done and really neither has the team, ever. We didn't even really consider anything more than a Killian type because he never wanted Green looking over his shoulder. DV wanted nothing to do with that. Collins, Brister, and now Huard have been good backups, but with the exception of last year none have ever been a threat. More like guys who were very content with being a backup. 3rd string? Hell, those were Huard, Brister, and Quinn. DV had no intention of even grooming a guy there and sending a wrong message to the QB who he took care of.

Green did pay him back with his loyalty playing very well. That's not the point. Now with Herm here and drafting Croyle and bringing in Printers to compete, it shows he really is doing what's best for the team to win now and the future.

Green is not a mentor. Not to QB's. Doesn't mean he isn't a leader. He is spoiled and high maintenance. Can't really blame him as that's what he is used too. He can handle adversity. He can't handle change, inconvience, or an actuall competition.

Unless he actually is ready to accept he is in the last 1-3 yrs or so of his playing career, John Beck and Cleo Lemon will learn this as well if or when he goes to Miami. Terry Shea knows this and how to handle it, but I wonder how Cameron is in regards to DV and Saunders.

Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Especially one who has no intention of addapting.

NewChief 05-08-2007 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by booger
Green is not a mentor. Not to QB's. Doesn't mean he isn't a leader. He is spoiled and high maintenance. Can't really blame him as that's what he is used too. He can handle adversity. He can't handle change, inconvience, or an actuall competition.

Errr. Okay.

vailpass 05-08-2007 10:26 AM

Damn it's nasty how some of you have turned on Green. The guy was told he is being replaced and wants to play somewhere else. Why would a QB who is used to a scoring offense want to play for ultra conservative Herm Edwards and an offense that is doomed to take a big step backward this year?

Mr. Laz 05-08-2007 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Certainly. He's used to being coddled and this is rough on him.

oh please...... how did they coddle Green in the last system?




could it be .... possible that this offensive system sucks?!?

booger 05-08-2007 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief
Errr. Okay.

The last 2yrs prior to this draft he did commentary for ESPN. He talked on the topic of a younger player at his position and the prospect of mentoring a young qb. The first year when we took Kilian he didn't act like he would go out of his way to bring him along. He really didn't seem thrilled at all being on camera after we drafted Croyle either.

His stance was basically take notes, listen to coaches, but he wouldn't hold their hand, etc. I know Brett Favre wasn't really thrilled when GB drafted Rogers either. Nor are most players at any position.

Me calling him spoiled is more of a lack of a better term. He is used to a certain way things go, certain coaches and staff, and system.

No matter the situation or the team or the system I just don't see him as accepting a backup role. Really nothing at all wrong with that either. He's made his money. Thank heavens for Miami otherwise he would have no choice but to retire if he didn't want to play for KC.

Mr. Laz 05-08-2007 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass
Damn it's nasty how some of you have turned on Green. The guy was told he is being replaced and wants to play somewhere else. Why would a QB who is used to a scoring offense want to play for ultra conservative Herm Edwards and an offense that is doomed to take a big step backward this year?

it's true ...... many of the same people that actually started bleeding through their kotex if anyone even hinted at a Green weakness before are now trashing him like he's a faider.

just goes to show that they never based their opinions on reality in the first place.

Chiefnj 05-08-2007 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass
Damn it's nasty how some of you have turned on Green. The guy was told he is being replaced and wants to play somewhere else. Why would a QB who is used to a scoring offense want to play for ultra conservative Herm Edwards and an offense that is doomed to take a big step backward this year?

Wait until the first preseason game when Croyle doesn't look so good. It will be "the Chiefs need Green".


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