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Iowanian 12-10-2007 01:38 PM
I'm ready for a complete Blood letting at 1 Arrowhead drive.

FringeNC 12-10-2007 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
Well, I just checked, and the defense has dropped out of "top 10" in both catagories now. 13th in points allowed and 15th in yards allowed. The offense is holding it's own at 30th and 31st.

link

Go Gunther!!!!
and 18th in the all-important yards per play

HemiEd 12-10-2007 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC
and 18th in the all-important yards per play
So basically, in a little less than two full seasons, the only thing that has changed is the plummiting of our offense.

Chiefnj2 12-10-2007 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
So basically, in a little less than two full seasons, the only thing that has changed is the plummiting of our offense.
Don't forget the god-awful special teams.

FringeNC 12-10-2007 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
So basically, in a little less than two full seasons, the only thing that has changed is the plummiting of our offense.
That sums it up perfectly. It's sad -- it was so predictable. The only brainpower in the whole organization was Vermeil - Saunders - Solari collectively running the offense. Now there is nothing. No one in the entire organization brings a god damn thing to the table now. No one.

KCJohnny 12-10-2007 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2
Interesting factoids:

1. KC's rush defense is worse, in terms of yards per carry, right now than it was in Vermeil's last year.

2. If KC gives up an average of 18 points or more during its final 3 games, it will have given up more points than Vermeil's defense did in 2005.
Ouch.

KCJ
Hoping for three shutouts
:(

HemiEd 12-10-2007 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC
That sums it up perfectly. It's sad -- it was so predictable. The only brainpower in the whole organization was Vermeil - Saunders - Solari collectively running the offense. Now there is nothing. No one in the entire organization brings a god damn thing to the table now. No one.
I would really like to see them start fresh, with some fresh young minds. I hate to say it, but admire what Al Davis did in hiring his new coach. Pull a talented GM understudy in here, and have a whole new regime.

FAX 12-10-2007 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2
Interesting factoids:

1. KC's rush defense is worse, in terms of yards per carry, right now than it was in Vermeil's last year.

2. If KC gives up an average of 18 points or more during its final 3 games, it will have given up more points than Vermeil's defense did in 2005.
Yeah. I think the "revamped" Chiefs defense has been a little bit of an urban myth, Mr. Chiefnj2. When you watch the games, you realize that our success is very dependent on great play by JA and two of our linebackers (DT and DE). Other than that, we're pretty inconsistent.

FAX

Chiefnj2 12-10-2007 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FAX
Yeah. I think the "revamped" Chiefs defense has been a little bit of an urban myth, Mr. Chiefnj2. When you watch the games, you realize that our success is very dependent on great play by JA and two of our linebackers (DT and DE). Other than that, we're pretty inconsistent.

FAX
The masochist in me looked up some other data:

- yards per reception (given up) 11.9. (Same as 2005).

And here's the kicker:
points per game - 2005 was 20.3, 2007 is presently 20.8.

Bugeater 12-10-2007 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DJJasonp
I said pretty much the same thing when Robinson was the DC....how many times/years can it continue to be about the talent and not about the coaching? I mean, these guys are NFL players right? If they're good enough to be drafted, etc....they should be at least efficient and get better from year to year, right?
You know what, that's a damn good point. That would explain why our drafts were nearly complete busts every year for ten years. Maybe we've never had a coaching staff that was actually able to develop them and make them better. That's sad and pathetic if it's true.

Mr. Laz 12-10-2007 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2
Interesting factoids:

1. KC's rush defense is worse, in terms of yards per carry, right now than it was in Vermeil's last year.

2. If KC gives up an average of 18 points or more during its final 3 games, it will have given up more points than Vermeil's defense did in 2005.
but it's all Dick vermeil's fault!!!! :deevee: :deevee:

Dave Lane 12-10-2007 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler
The whole coaching staff needs to be shit canned along with Herm
yup!

Dave Lane 12-10-2007 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by findthedr
Bullshit!! Gunther had given CP a list of FA players he wanted, and CP got most of them: Surtain, Kendrell Bell, Harris, Donnie Edwards, sammy knight. During the DV era, it was Gunther who wanted Freeman and Siavii. It was gunther who thought he could make Kawika Mitchell a playmaker.

No No no it was all Dick Vermiels fault if it wasn't for him Herm would have won two SBs already!

Dave

the Talking Can 12-10-2007 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC
That sums it up perfectly. It's sad -- it was so predictable. The only brainpower in the whole organization was Vermeil - Saunders - Solari collectively running the offense. Now there is nothing. No one in the entire organization brings a god damn thing to the table now. No one.
it's just an inbred, buddy-society...everyone is friends from somewhere, everyone sucks, everyone keeps their jobs...

we need new blood so badly...NO ONE connected to Carl or any of Carl's "students"....

FAX 12-10-2007 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GoBo
You know what, that's a damn good point. That would explain why our drafts were nearly complete busts every year for ten years. Maybe we've never had a coaching staff that was actually able to develop them and make them better. That's sad and pathetic if it's true.
Absolutely. Our "player development" efforts appear to be practically non-existent. From time to time, that problem seems to emerge in the media, then it goes away again. It's one of the elephants in the room nobody seems to want to talk about.

I firmly believe that a major factor in our historical draft problems is the lack of any meaningful player development program. Honestly, if a guy doesn't walk in the door with stellar talent and/or personal commitment, he's likely to get no better with the Chiefs.

FAX


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