Other than Mecca whom I have had this argument with already....

Any of you who have suggested that we take Brohm in the second or Woodson in Round 3, I would like to hear what you think their upside is, and what they have over Brody Croyle?

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I'd like to know what Croyle has, he reminds me of the long line of guys with big arms who sucked as QB's, it doesn't help that he can't stay on the field to save his life...

Really strong arm, injury prone, other than that what's he got?

Me too.

How did this class look last year this time? Brohm and then nothing. Things change in a year.

Are the Chiefs the team who can coach all those interceptions out of him?

Good catch.

Believe me, you're not going to get through to these guys. HOF or bust for the #5 pick. Just absurdly unrealistic, but what can you do.

Flacco was never his team's captain. What does that say about his leadership? It tells me he might be another Grbac.

What does Ryan got other than an NFL body?

Honestly, why the hell does the pro-Croyle crowd keeping saying this? !

The ONLY thing Croyle has on Ryan is pure arm strength, and he doesn't beat him by much. That's it. Period. Every single NFL analyst and expert would say Ryan beats Croyle in every other category. That is why Matt Ryan in a unanimous top five overall prospect and the #1 QB in this draft, while Brodie Croyle was a middle-round nobody in 2006 and no one holds him in high regard except the sheep on this board.

Seriously, some of you act like Brodie Croyle is your son or something; open your eyes, stop being biased, and realize that Croyle is a NFL backup at best.

You missed out on that whole Matt Ryan would have gone in the 1st last year when he was deciding if he was coming out or not last year eh?

And he threw picks because he put the ball up a ton of times to crappy receivers that team wouldn't have won a game without him....

People can say what they want about him but to me a guy who played in his situation is ready. Pro style offense, good size, was given freedom at the line to change plays, knows how to read defenses. Played for a coach that was an NFL coach, had to consistently put the ball in windows and rarely threw to wide open guys which prepares him much more for what he'll see in the NFL, guys rarely run free in the NFL.

I'm gonna do this one more time, since some people like to bring up stats.....

These are Brodie Croyle college stats...

2005 339 202 59.6 2,499 14 4 132.8
2004 66 44 66.7 534 6 0 164.6
2003 341 182 53.4 2,303 16 13 118.0
2002 123 60 48.8 1,046 5 5 125.5
Career 869 488 56.2 6,382 41 22 128.4

Matt Ryan is here...

2007 654 388 59.3 4,507 31 19 127.0
2006 426 262 61.5 2,939 15 10 126.4
2005 195 121 62.1 1,514 8 5 135.7
2004 71 35 49.3 350 2 3 91.5
Career 1346 806 59.9 9,310 56 37 126.2

If you don't like Ryan that's fine but give me good logical reasons not things like 'OMG Croyle is as good a prospect as him" because if you said that to NFL teams or any draft people they'd laugh you out of the room.

And stop comparing him to big armed QB's that flamed out, Croyle resembles them more than Ryan does...

I wanted to draft Croyle out of college. He has what it takes to be a starting quarterback in the league. Personally I think Ryan is overrated. He lead Boston College to 10 wins the most piss ant BCS conference, Brodie did it in the SEC and his only losts were to LSU and Auburn, arguabley 2 of the top 5 most talented college teams in the nation. They both had nearly identical compeltion percentage which is a better stat than yards and completions. Brodie had a better touchdown to interception ratio as well. Another thing is Ryan a better prospect than Vince Young, Matt Leinart, or Jay Cutler. Hell no. He would have been taken 4th behind them. Heck he is not even in the same class as Jamarcus Russell or Brady Quinn.

I will bet anybody that Croyle will have a better career than Ryan.

dennis dixon. I'd be a fan of him being a fifth or sixth round pick. he was the best QB in the ncaa for a long while last year.

Ryan completed about as many passes as Croyle threw with no supporting cast.....people like Croyle cause he's a QB the Chiefs drafted nothing more. He is still the same thing he has always been a big armed guy that will never stay on the field...

I don't care if you love Croyle with everything in your being, if you really believe that man will ever play 16 games in a season or is remotely as good a prospect as Ryan you're so far out there.

Then you are valuing him for the same shit that people rip the Raiders for, his pure arm and nothing else. Because Ryan is better at EVERYTHING else. I'll take the guy who does everything without the huge arm, most of the best QB's right now don't have giant arms.

I could give rat's ass about his big arm. Croyle has what it takes IMO to be a winning NFL quarterback, is he a hall of fame type. No. But a Trent Green/Matt Hasselback type career. Yes.

And unless you are Brett Favre or Peyton Manning, I doubt you wil see that many quarterbacks last season after season every game.

"The sheep on this board" are not saying Croyle is a sure thing. We are just saying "WE DON'T YET KNOW WHAT WE HAVE IN CROYLE." And we have not seen him under any circumstance that's even near reasonable. We may or may not have a QBOTF. But there are positions we know we don't have anything. Seriously, I don't know why "the pigs on this board" can't comprehend that.