I wonder also if their o-lines sucked as badly, as did their running game. I also wonder if their offense went RRPP, or was as easily predictable. Croyle needs one more year of evaluation, IMO.

you may want to go ahead and prepare for the likely eventuality they those who doubt Croyle are right. If your backup plan is "draft a QB in '09" you don't have a backup plan.

Can't believe you took it there.
I don't know the man personally.

He had offensive weapons last season.
He had two reliable pass-catchers.

I might argue that he was in no position to produce, but I saw Huard produce with the very same weapons.

He'll never win games all by himself.
And I'm not suggesting that he should.

Brodie Croyle showed ZERO improvement over his 6 starts.
He was no better in the last game he played than he was when he took his first pre-season snap. No glimmer of hope. Nothing to hang your hat on.

You're ignoring every piece of evidence I presented, and most especially that the bronco's went 4-0 when elway didn't play.

Further, the "glimmer" you keep talking about was obviously seen by Herm&Co. (Indy game?)

Further STILL, you build a team around your QB, not just your 1st round picks. So forget that argument. Herm has stated Croyle is his guy. Start building.

I love the idea that Croyle's being compared to former #1 overall Draft picks.
:rolleyes:

That is THE lamest argument. The handling of a #1 overall pick is infinitely different from how you handle a Third Round pick. Those organizations HAD to be patient with those QB's. We don't owe Brodie Croyle that kind of commitment. But I'll humor you...

Let's take a closer look at these QB's... Shall we?

In the case of Elway by the end of the season he had put together three games where he had a QB Rating of 100 or better. He had a 3-TD game against the Baltimore Colts.

In the case of Aikman by the end of the season he put together a string of 4 out of 5 games where he had a QB Rating of 80 or better. He tossed 8 TD's during that stretch. Including a 4 TD game against the Rams.

In the case of Manning...
Well, he only set a new NFL rookie record for TD passes. And by the end of the year he had two games with QB Ratings of 100 or better and THREE 3 TD games.

I did...

Read on.

What makes it likely???...the fact that 07 was an abortion from the get go, regardless of who was at QB???

He didnt have a chance last year.

Croyle has had 6 games. Those guys have had 11 or more. Further, one's spot in the draft hardly accounts for much of anything, especially as QBs go.

I would argue that Huard was an 80 year vet, summoning every bit of know-how he had.

Do you expect the same kind of production from a 1st timer???

I often discount the average Croyle-hater's point of view because their attitude toward him is usually far more emotional than analytical. However, I've always found you to be a very intelligent and thoughtful person, Mr. Micjones. Your opinion is, therefore, simultaneously more valued and more troublesome.

Let me ask you this; What could Croyle have done last year that would have changed your mind about him?

FAX

That was a glimmer of hope?
The 1 TD, 169 passing yard day?

Wow...

Croyle's a Third Round pick and doesn't warrant the same kind of commitment.

Oh and incidentally he had 3 pre-season starts where he looked like dogshit.

Most of the starting QB's in the NFL were drafted in the First Round.
Come on.

Didn't Elway's, Manning's, and Aikman's coaches actually allow them to throw the ball into the endzone?

FAX

He almost beat the colts. For all intents and purposes, it should have been a win. That takes composure, an intangible that some might call a glimmer.

Let most of you tell it Huard is horrible.
So how on Earth was there such a huge gap between what Croyle and Huard were able to do against Detroit?