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eazyb81 09-08-2008 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by HolmeZz (Post 4997021)

That's great. I heard the same things about Alex Smith, Vince Young, and Matt Leinart(none of whom I particularly cared for, and Young who I called one of the most overrated prospects I've seen coming out).

Some quarterbacks have it and some don't. QBs are risky for a reason, and I'm not going to be in favor of taking a risk on a player I've seen and have not been sold on.

It's definitely not foolish. I think you have one pretty/really good QB prospect in Stafford and then it extreme mediocrity after him.
So basically you're scared to draft a QB for fear of ending up with a bust. That sounds familiar.

Listen, no one knows what will happen in April, but right now there are a handful of QBs that have elite, franchise QB potential. All things considered, I'd much rather take the great QB prospect over the great OL prospect. The risk is certainly higher, but so is the reward.

Mecca 09-08-2008 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4997046)
So basically you're scared to draft a QB for fear of ending up with a bust. That sounds familiar.

Listen, no one knows what will happen in April, but right now there are a handful of QBs that have elite, franchise QB potential. All things considered, I'd much rather take the great QB prospect over the great OL prospect. The risk is certainly higher, but so is the reward.
It's peoples fear of being Arizona or Cincy, they'd rather build to be the 90s Chiefs or Jaguars where you make the playoffs every year but lose instead of taking that chance to actually win something.

SAUTO 09-08-2008 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4997046)
So basically you're scared to draft a QB for fear of ending up with a bust. That sounds familiar.

Listen, no one knows what will happen in April, but right now there are a handful of QBs that have elite, franchise QB potential. All things considered, I'd much rather take the great QB prospect over the great OL prospect. The risk is certainly higher, but so is the reward.
agreed but we NEED to hit on the right one the first time this team will be wasting its youth waiting for a QB

SAUTO 09-08-2008 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4997049)
It's peoples fear of being Arizona or Cincy, they'd rather build to be the 90s Chiefs or Jaguars where you make the playoffs every year but lose instead of taking that chance to actually win something.
off subject but i would be ECSTATIC if we tried to get leinart from ari.

Mecca 09-08-2008 07:59 PM
I'm not sure we can develop any QB with this coaching staff to be honest.

SAUTO 09-08-2008 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4997057)
I'm not sure we can develop any QB with this coaching staff to be honest.
dammit mecca there you go saying something else i agree with. WTF is wrong with you?

Tribal Warfare 09-08-2008 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4997038)
The things you have to look at with Sanchez is the scouting things, he's playing in a pro style offense which is big points, and he has a ridiculous arm and natural talent...

People need to stop basing so much on stats and factor in the things that go into the NFL draft, pure physical talent is every bit if not more important than production to alot of teams.
I wasn't basing it on natural talent, it is his decision making that needs to improve. On one play he threads a needle, and then on the next play he throws into double coverage.

SAUTO 09-08-2008 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 4997065)
I wasn't basing it on natural talent, it was his decision making needs to improve. On one play he threads a needle, and then on the next play he throws in double coverage.
agreed but he is young, like i said we need to see more ALOT more

HolmeZz 09-08-2008 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4997046)
So basically you're scared to draft a QB for fear of ending up with a bust. That sounds familiar.
Are you reeruned? What about "I don't have a problem taking a QB high if I really like them" don't you understand?

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Originally Posted by eazyb
Listen, no one knows what will happen in April, but right now there are a handful of QBs that have elite, franchise QB potential.
Please name them. I could use the laugh.

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Originally Posted by eazyb
All things considered, I'd much rather take the great QB prospect over the great OL prospect. The risk is certainly higher, but so is the reward.
a) It depends on what your needs are.

b) I already friggin' said I don't see a great QB prospect, which is why I would prefer we take a great OL prospect.

Mecca 09-08-2008 08:03 PM
Hey we'll see, but you gotta live the guys toughness, ****s up his knee and doesn't miss any games.

Mecca 09-08-2008 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by HolmeZz (Post 4997075)
Are you reeruned? What about "I don't have a problem taking a QB high if I really like them" don't you understand?



Please name them. I could use the laugh.



a) It depends on what your needs are.

b) I already friggin' said I don't see a great QB prospect, which is why I would prefer we take a great OL prospect.
Are you going to tell him guys like Stafford and Bradford aren't top 5 guys they're just being elevated like Matt Ryan?

I remember how everyone hated Ryan.....Ryan won his game yesterday and looked very good for a rookie starting opening weekend.

Mr. Flopnuts 09-08-2008 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4997083)
Are you going to tell him guys like Stafford and Bradford aren't top 5 guys they're just being elevated like Matt Ryan?

I remember how everyone hated Ryan.....Ryan won his game yesterday and looked very good for a rookie starting opening weekend.
A 70 yard TD on your first NFL pass will do that for you.

HolmeZz 09-08-2008 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4997083)
Are you going to tell him guys like Stafford and Bradford aren't top 5 guys they're just being elevated like Matt Ryan?
1. I don't see Bradford coming out(and I don't think he's as good a prospect as Stafford as it stands right now anyway).

2. I liked Matt Ryan. If Stafford shows me the things Ryan showed me last year, I'll be comfortable with the pick.

keg in kc 09-08-2008 08:07 PM
Establishing a QB needs to be the one of the first moves in a rebuild, not one of the last. We needed to do it in 2005, 2006 or 2007 if we were going to build an offense around him. We didn't do that, so what we have to do is go the vet route in 2009. Now, that doesn't mean the Chiefs can't draft a QBotF to groom behind a vet for 2011 or 2012, but there should be enough pieces in place by next year to make this a playoff-calibre team, and they should be a Superbowl contender in 2010, if they have someone who can play behind center (and that means not a rookie or 2nd year player).

As much as I'd like to develop from within (and I would) I just think they're past that point in the rebuild process.

Mecca 09-08-2008 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by HolmeZz (Post 4997094)
1. I don't see Bradford coming out.

2. I liked Matt Ryan. If Stafford shows me the things Ryan showed me last year, I'll be comfortable with the pick.
Fair enough, I'm not completely sold on Stafford either to be honest.


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