Yeah.....theres no ****ing way it'd be this bad.

Though Trent Green would still be QB. Don't really know if that's a good thing or not.

At heart. /Hallmark

QFT 100%

How can you defend Herm when his EGO put this team into a total cluster****...

Well that would bring us around to 9-7 and HOPE for a playoff bitch slapping...

but the "true fans" would rejoice and praise Herm for is masterful turn around...

For the love of all things holy.

Carl Peterson actually hired this man.

He gave up a draft pick and continues to give him actual legal tender in exchange for him running an NFL football team. There are no words.

When will the devil come for Herm's soul? Seriously, WTF has this guy ever done to deserve a head coaching job? Better still, how in the hell has he kept one for a decade?

This is just completely perplexing to me.

I have a feeling Roaf would of gave it one more year and DV would never ever let the OL get this terrible...

The Defense would still suck, but good thing Herm fixed that for us Fans...

Did you miss the interview where Roaf said that Vermeil's long and complicated practices were part of the reason he retired?

And I'd really like to know what you think DV would have done to keep the OL as productive. Not that it would have mattered, considering he didn't win a damn thing for us except pathetic fan contentment.

You realy think it would have got this bad with DV and al here? :doh!:

True forgot about that Roaf comment... Thanks for the refresh...

I think you can go back to 1989 and say there wasnt a coach here than won a damn thing except for pathetic fan contentment... Yes that include ****ing shit for brains Martha...

I am not going to sit here and say I could/can read DV's minds and thoughts. But I would gather that he would of seriously addressed the OL through FA. Just a my thoughts, it neither right or wrong...

But obviously, Your Hermie boy didnt think the line was that important...

Its very easy to trash the DV era.. Alot of bitterness form the fans for wasting a true NFL offense.

If we are still bashing DV 3 years later, we will be able to bash Herm and his reign of terror for at least 10 years.

I am not bashing him

Yes I do. DV completely neglected the draft. And the players he did draft wasted away on the bench. He could not see the big picture. Look at his draft choices today, and see how many are still contributing in the league. Then think how that continued behavior would look on this team. His continued insistence on patching holes with "good ol' boy" acquaintances year after year hampered development and set us back more and more as time went on. DV lucked into one of the best OLines in history. And I believe that any coach could have had offensive success behind that line. Just look at what Solari and Saunders did after Roaf and Shields were gone. Don't you question why they bombed after that line went away?

When you look at all the areas of the team, DV really only excelled in one area. Offense. And take away Roaf and Shields, and most of that goes away. He was absolutely terrible with the defense. Terrible. The staunchest of supporters would admit to that. And these days a one-sided team simply will not win. Actually his one-sided philosophy really didn't win shit when he was here. Just a lot of offensive stats dazzling fans with lots of points but heartbreaking losses. In the end, he had 5 years to patch together a legitimate team. 5 years. The most he could eek out of it was a pathetic performance where we couldn't force a punt the entire game.

Put Vermeil in charge of this bunch today, and we'd see a different colored turd that stinks just the same, while ignoring youth and building for the future. We're not getting it done now, but Vermeil wouldn't be better.

Yes, I agree that he would have attempted to address the OL through FA. But look at how much that would cost these days. Imagine how much cap space we would have used patching the OL with upper tier lineman last year. And you know for a fact that he wouldn't have wanted rookies on the line. No way no how. So we'd be overpaying older guys year after year while never trying to groom rookies that would be around for a long time. No planning for down the road.

DV's team management is only good for the one and done strategy. I want a team that can be consistently good and won't need to be expensively restocked every offseason.

And no, Hermie hasn't done well with the line, he absolutely deserves that criticism. Especially last season with Turdley, McIntosh, and Terry. Big time failure in planning there. But you have to admit Albert, Taylor, and Richardson look promising and are still young. Do you think they'd be playing for Vermeil? I don't.

Man who knows... That was so long ago, things have changed so much... DV was here to build a superbowl team in 3 years. He "almost" accomplished that.

Herm was brought here to Herm the team, well 3 years later we have a "true Herman Edwards" team...

So we can discuss apples and oranges all day... they are still apples and oranges..

who knows what would happen, we both make valid points, but it doesnt help to argue "what ifs" about the past....

That's an important point. Things have changed a lot in the last few years. DV has not. For that matter, Herm has not.

That's why it's so important to get some fresh young blood in here. All the clamoring for Cowher and Marty is so ridiculous in that regard that I can't believe people can criticize Herm while calling for either of those 2 clones....