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WHITLOCK - Herm is innocent, Carl is evil (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=194224)

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Originally Posted by triple (Post 5117539)

tony's contract extension predates Herm and this rebuild business, does it not

It does and in response to your previous post I totally agree with you. Carl and Herm had a deal and then Carl changed his mind to **** Tony. This is a BS way to run an organization.

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"When I signed my deal a few years ago, it was to end my career here. But I also felt we had real potential, I didn't see us ending up with a rebuilding effort. But once they cleaned house, and when they traded Jared (Allen), it was clearly to rebuild.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5117532)

Carl deserves to be fired immediately for hiring Herm in the first place.

Carl certainly doesn't deserve the blame for all of the recent personnel decisions. We've seen Carl bring in very different types of players depending on who was the head coach. Carl certainly listens to his head coach and tries to bring in the guys the coach asks for. When Gun was head coach the team brought in bigger physical players. Vermeil came on and he got his OL, QB and HB and GROB got his players. Gun came in as DC and got his infamous wish list (a year after saying he didn't need anybody it was just the scheme that wasn't working). Herm came aboard and got rid of the Vermeil offensive players and he brought in a bunch of old Jets and put his stamp on the drafts.

No doubt Carl apparently botched the trade of Tony yesterday, but at the end of the day nobody held a gun to Tony's head when he reupped his contract. He knew the direction of the team and he knew Herms ways when he signed on the dotted line.

The entire organization needed to be blown up when DV retired. Clark had the opportunity to do so when his dad passed away, but like his father Clark has sat passively by the first two years and bought into Herm and Carl.

Each and every person in the organization is to blame from the owner on down.

Agreed. New HC should lead to a new direction and building the team that guy's way just like we did with DV and Marty.

If not for a french door for a RT, a porcelain QB, and a cluless HC the rebuild wouldn't be this far behind. Herm has drafted some damned good talent.

A lot is there. I don't know if they just don't buy into him and his philosopy or what but what we do have should be showing better results. It's the fumblings of Carl mixed in with the "If I say you're OK it means you're not OK" nonesense of Herm on top.

And DV had "his" guys. DV would fight to the end for Dante, Green, etc.

Who do you feel Herm would do that for? Who are "Herm's Guys?"

Short answer: NO ONE...

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5117543)

It does and in response to your previous post I totally agree with you. Carl and Herm had a deal and then Carl changed his mind to **** Tony. This is a BS way to run an organization.

No it doesn't. Tony extended his contract in January 2007. That was after Herm's first year and after the loss to the Colts in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5117554)

No it doesn't. Tony extended his contract in January 2007. That was after Herm's first year and after the loss to the Colts in the playoffs.

Oddly enough that's when the elderly talent started to bail...

I'm actually happy that Carl put his foot down and said no on this one.

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH (Post 5117560)

I'm actually happy that Carl put his foot down and said no on this one.

What do the Chiefs gain from it? Gonzalez will play out this year. He's certainly unhappy so who knows how productive he'll be. He'll certainly request a trade in the offseason and possibly retire without the Chiefs receiving any compensation or less than a 3rd round pick.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5117579)

So no matter the player use the Madden 2x strategy of trading them off before the year they retire so you get something?

The player retiring as a Chief means nothing?...

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH (Post 5117560)

I'm actually happy that Carl put his foot down and said no on this one.

Yeah, giving up Tony for what basically is a 4th rounder really doesn't appeal to me, I think I'd get more enjoyment watching him plat for the next 2 years in red and gold, than waiting for a very high 3rd rounder maybe pan out.

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5117630)

The player retiring as a Chief means nothing?...

Apparently is doesn't mean much to the player.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5117554)

No it doesn't. Tony extended his contract in January 2007. That was after Herm's first year and after the loss to the Colts in the playoffs.

According to Tony when he signed they said nothing about rebuilding.

Last year they didn't rebuild at all they just tried to plug holes and get to the playoffs.

So Tony was right.

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5117258)

Herm and Carl were engaged in a fist fight and Jason just dumped a bag of knives on the floor. I hope this escalates.

Handguns, Jason, we need handguns!

:popcorn:PBJPBJ:popcorn:

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5117685)

According to Tony when he signed they said nothing about rebuilding.

Last year they didn't rebuild at all they just tried to plug holes and get to the playoffs.

So Tony was right.

Tony extended his contract after Herm's first year. Toward the end of the year and after the playoff loss to the Colts where the Chiefs offense consisted of repeatedly running LJ into 8 man defensive fronts guys like LJ, Tony and Green all came out and made comments about the questionable play calling and direction of the offense. Tony was on notice.

Tony would also have to blind to see that the team didn't need to be rebuilt. The offense was getting old and Herm had already begun to bring in players that would buy into Herm's drivel.

The Chiefs have been rebuilding for three years. You don't need to play 10 rookies to begin rebuilding. Herm has given his draft picks and free agent signings plenty of playing time from day one.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5117659)

Apparently is doesn't mean much to the player.

My feelings and memories win out when it comes to drafted life-long Chiefs. Hands down. Every time.

Hell, isn't that why we're here arguing?...

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5117709)

Tony would also have to blind to see that the team didn't need to be rebuilt. The offense was getting old and Herm had already begun to bring in players that would buy into Herm's drivel.

The Chiefs have been rebuilding for three years. You don't need to play 10 rookies to begin rebuilding. Herm has given his draft picks and free agent signings plenty of playing time from day one.

Tony was nuts-deep in a contract he really couldn't wiggle out of. He was stuck.

And frankly, I think he wanted it to work. He WANTED to win in KC, taste some playoff wins, take a swing at a ring.

Only it's pretty clear now it's going to be a LONG WHILE before that happens....

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5117279)

Clark is a smart dude. I also think he knows he has to make his own bones in the NFL. His father was respected for 1) creating the AFL; 2) winning a SB; and 3) playing a big hand in the merger that created the modern day NFL. Clark hasn't done jack shit. He'll get no respect in club 32 until he does.

I think he cleans house, at least on the football side of the organization.

Please be true, sooner rather than later.