yeah good article but he needs to lay off Glenn, this IS HIS first year. so you cant say bust this early!

What did Gun leave for Vermeil??


DV rebuilt the team in 3 years. He didnt go with the draft and youth, but he did rebuild.


Anyhow, I dont see how anyone could defend Herm at this point. Every move he has made including the draft has been an Epic Fail. Thats no exaggeration. Heck, you could even make an argument DV *GULP* drafted better than Herm.

The Chiefs are a joke. It's really sad.

Vermeil didn't leave much, but what he left was a lot better than what Herm has obtained. DJ is still one of the better defensemen on the team, Jared Allen would be the best DL by far had they not traded him, Kawika Mitchell is a lot better than anyone Herm has brought aboard. CB is the only spot that might be improved and we don't really know yet since teams are content running the ball for 200+ yards per game.

Blaming Vermeil 3 years after the fact is rich. Did Vermeil leave the kitchen any barer than Buffalo or Green Bay? Did he leave it barer than Herm did in New York?

The only question I have from this article with all the negative comments about how the whole program is being run, why isn't Whitlock calling for immediate firings?

Probably because it wouldnt make much difference even though it deserves to happen.

Who knows? It certainly worked out ok for the Rams.

but we dont...and never will

Fringe, I did not support the all-rookies-and-a-few-cheap-FAs approach, but the 2008 Chiefs have only played 6 games. There is no turnaround on the horizon, but things could conceivably get better as adjustments are made and players are shuffled in and out. My heavens, its hard to imagine things getting worse.

There is a temptation to perceive Herm as in over his head, but he's been a part of too many good teams for that. He's elected to gut the Vermiel Chiefs (only after any chance of them competing for the post-season, which they did in 2006) and start all over again. That is what many, many Chiefs fans have been hollering for since Marty resigned.

This team's primary weakness (other than personnel) is a swiss cheese rushing _efense. If the Chiefs were holding opponents to 120 YPG we might be 3-3 now despite all the problems at QB. Unless the hemorraging is stopped, the wheels will not only come off, but the axles as well. And yes, that could mean massive firings/cuts.

Mr. Hunt knew this was coming. As a good business man, you have to give the plan you signed on to a chance to unfold. Herm will not be in serious trouble with the FO unless we win less than 6 games next year.

Absolutely amazing

ROFL

You can't help but laugh...

ROFL

Agreed. Neil Smith wasn't great his first year, nor Mario Williams. The first year is a learning year, and since this great "move toward youth even if they're not the best players" movement, there are few veterans to learn from, which slows down the young players' development anyway.

Neil Smith benefited greatly from DT. And when I say, "greatly", I mean "greatly".

Plus, that flinch move was a beaut.

Until they outlawed it.

FAX

That was the best. Who knows how many close wins we got from him doing that through many, many games.

Fine, I'll bite, I'm in a good mood....

So, we've ripped it out by the roots, started from scratch, and a myriad of other clichés. Let me know when we start building, m-kay?


That's exactly what this team needs, more reason to run up the guard's ass on every other play, 2 yards at a time.

What further proof do you need that this guy has no freakin' clue what he's doing?!?! He had the defensive effort against the Colts in the playoffs a couple of years ago, and his inept gameplan held us to ZERO first downs for the first 40 minutes of the game. He, once again, had the defensive effort against the Colts in Indianapolis several months later, and after Brodie/Brokie/Brittle/Shattered Dreams Croyle lead the Chiefs down for the touchdown, Herm packed it up and then said after the game that he was hoping to win the game on the last play, because "we were in a defensive game".... AGAINST PEYTON FL***ING MANNING!!

Do you think Carolina was bad this year? It's not a one time thing... it's an annual thing with Herm...
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...6&postcount=46
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...2&postcount=43

Those are just a couple of examples of incompetence before this year's gem. New OC, yet the gameplan hasn't changed... and it STILL doesn't work. We haven't just lost games, we aren't even competitive in any facet of the game. It's not rebuilding if things aren't improving, it's not rebuilding if nothing changes. His control of the offense is obviously slowing down any possible hope for an improvement on that side of the ball, and we completely suck on his side of the ball... on top of that, he's already lost the players, and we aren't half way through the season.

I get why the Chiefs can't become an impatient franchise... they can't give up on coaches every few years, or else there will never be any stability or consistency... players will be forced to learn a new system every few years, and that's how teams become awful and stay awful.

However, it's beyond impatience. Make Herm a scout for all I care, but get him away from the sidelines, away from the coordinators, and away from the players. He's clueless, and in the words of Ron White, you can't fix stupid.

We're still talking about Herm, right? Adjustments? Does he even gameplan for a specific team? The previous links prove that he doesn't adjust. The philosophy is always the same, and it won't change with talent. And if it's taken him this long to shuffle out players like McIntosh, we're either void of talent and it's not going to help, or Herm's freakin' clueless.

"Don't make it worse" is a bottom-of-the-barrel expectation. So, they said it would get worse before it got better. It did. A lot worse. It's not getting any worse, but it's sure as hell not getting any better.

Prior to the NYJ job, he had never once been responsible for creating or carrying out a gameplan. Before then, he had zero head coaching experience and zero coordinator experience. Being responsible for DBs is a helluva long way from being able to manage both sides of the ball, manage players, the coordinators, clock, and game. Temptation? Where's the proof otherwise?

BearCat, that was perfect....