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OnTheWarpath15 12-20-2008 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5314090)
It was a total double standard by Carl Peterson...

If Jared was such a risk, why did LJ get $20M guaranteed?
Had LJ even been convicted of anything?

Regardless, he didn't deserve it either, IMO.

Hootie 12-20-2008 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5314099)
Had LJ even been convicted of anything?

Regardless, he didn't deserve it either, IMO.
Ok, ok...

But the TOUGH NOSED commish obviously had enough faith in JA to reduce his suspension...and the dude flat out got into shape and claimed drinking was a thing of his past...you're telling me Carl couldn't trust a guy who had produced and played pedal to the medal every game he had ever been a Chief?

Look...I'm totally content with the package we received in return for Allen...but everyone on this board knows his troubles are a thing of the past...they're just desperately holding onto them because Allen was the best thing to hit this franchise since DT/TG. An elite player with a superstar personality.

But like I said...Albert/Charles/Morgan/money to sign an A list free agent is a good deal for an elite DE.

OnTheWarpath15 12-20-2008 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5314105)
Ok, ok...

But the TOUGH NOSED commish obviously had enough faith in JA to reduce his suspension...and the dude flat out got into shape and claimed drinking was a thing of his past...you're telling me Carl couldn't trust a guy who had produced and played pedal to the medal every game he had ever been a Chief?

Look...I'm totally content with the package we received in return for Allen...but everyone on this board knows his troubles are a thing of the past...they're just desperately holding onto them because Allen was the best thing to hit this franchise since DT/TG. An elite player with a superstar personality.

But like I said...Albert/Charles/Morgan/money to sign an A list free agent is a good deal for an elite DE.
I'm sorry, but no, I don't think his troubles are a thing of the past.

As someone who has a family member who is an alcoholic, I know that you are NEVER cured.

He can say all the right things, but he'll ALWAYS be a risk because of his past.

BigMeatballDave 12-20-2008 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5314099)
Had LJ even been convicted of anything?

Regardless, he didn't deserve it either, IMO.
Not to mention the fact that LJ is/was Carl's baby.

Chiefs=Champions 12-20-2008 10:37 PM
You go for Oakland= EPIC FAIL

OctoberFart 08-17-2009 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by talastan (Post 5312422)
LT of the future, Legit Change of pace Back, possibly a safety who at worst is depth for this team vs. a Good pass rusher who didn't want to play for the team he was on and would've possibly been a locker room cancer if he had to play under the franchise tag....No contest we came out on top.

By the way Fallfart, how's Javon needsaWalker, and Deangleo Hell working out for ya? Nice waste of cap space Faidturd. ROFL
This was the winner of the rationalization post of the year. The Chiefs got taken on that trade. Winner Minnesota.

OctoberFart 08-17-2009 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac (Post 5312931)
Headcase? I don't think so. The dude never bitched (other than about his contract which I think he deserved) in KC and played friggin' HARD every game...and this year in Minnesota he has played through countless injuries and made another pro bowl and will probably have 16 or 17 sacks.

The dude is a flat out STUD and a top 5 DE in the league who looks as if he's conquered his drinking problem.

I still think we got great value out of him and with the money we saved by not giving him $30M guaranteed we can sign a high priced free agent so in reality we're getting Albert/Charles/Morgan/high priced free agent (if we sign one) for Allen.
Only normal post in all of that. So KC didn't want to pay him but they give more money to a 5 technique DE that never has played a down in the NFL?

nychief 08-17-2009 05:34 PM
the problem is JA can't play QB. So... minny eat a bag of dicks. they are wasting two great players AP and JA.

Reaper16 08-17-2009 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AutumnWind (Post 5980277)
Only normal post in all of that. So KC didn't want to pay him but they give more money to a 5 technique DE that never has played a down in the NFL?
The Chiefs are an entirely different organization now.

TEX 08-17-2009 05:47 PM
Moving JA was one of the dumbest things the Chiefs have done recently. I was against the trade then, and still think the Vikings got the better end of the deal. My take was that good DE's are very hard to get - "game changers" like JA are even herder - and JA was young and would likely be around for many years. The bottom line was the Chiefs were not gonn pay LJ and Allen. It was just CRAZY to pay LJ, who would not contribute for as long as Allen would, but $hit happens...

MoreLemonPledge 08-17-2009 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5980293)
The Chiefs are an entirely different organization now.
This. Different leadership, different scheme. Why the **** was this even bumped? Completely irrelevant.

SenselessChiefsFan 08-17-2009 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by AutumnWind (Post 5312392)
Trade winner=Minnesota. Nice job KC your losing the sack battle

KC Chiefs TEAM TOTAL 9 sacks VS J. ALLEN 14.5 sacks

Minnesota got a hell of a deal. Now go ahead and tell me how KC won that trade.

Given the teams new defensive scheme, frankly, it is great the Chiefs didn't lock him up.

Brandon Albert has a chance to be a HOF LT. I am okay with the trade.

allen_kcCard 08-17-2009 06:09 PM
There were mistakes before JA was traded that caused it, but at least we have something of value to show for it still on the team, and the person that caused it all is gone.

Marcellus 08-17-2009 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by allen_kcCard (Post 5980370)
There were mistakes before JA was traded that caused it, but at least we have something of value to show for it still on the team, and the person that caused it all is gone.
QFT. Carl ****ing Peterson screwed it all up and now he gone.

SAUTO 08-17-2009 06:22 PM
who got the better CABLE or ASST. COACH? methinks autumn is deflecting with this bump


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