Awww, are you being picked on by "the board bully"? This must be step 3, "Turn the losing argument personal".

Yes, let's make it about a ****ing high school popularity contest-one that neither one of us can prove, but you must be right, because you said so.

I'm talking about NOW. He lives in Carolina.

Guys! Guys! GUYS!

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I haven't said one thing about you personally. I don't really need to prove that a Super Bowl winning coach who grew up in the city he won it for is probably much, much, much more important to that city than a coach who never won anything of note for KC.

Where he lives now is irrelevant.

You underestimate the KC hillbilly faithful.

No, it isn't because it explains why I said that.

Not really, because you were responding to Jaz's point about Cowher being from Pittsburgh.

So now you know what other's think, too? Okay, Brockie. When somebody says where are you from? Don't you typically tell them where you curently live? I know, I do.

I think Brock has this on lockdown. He's not saying Marty is or wasn't popular like you seem to be arguing, he's just saying that Cowher means more to Pittsburgh, I know a lot of Steeler fans that love Cowher and I think the entire city would welcome him back with open arms. Here in KC we have a few lobbying for Marty but I think the majority are in the bring in a new look camp. That is not "icon" status, to reach that you'd need an overwhelming majority to support the idea of bringing you back.

# Name Term Regular season Playoffs Awards Reference
GC W L T Win% GC W L
Dallas Texans
1 Hank Stram*[a] 1960–1962 42 27 17 0 .642 1 0 1 [12]
Kansas City Chiefs
— Hank Stram*[a] 1963–1974 164 97 57 10 .607 7 4 2 UPI AFL Coach of the Year (1968)[13]
Pro Football Weekly AFL Coach of the Year (1968)[13] [12]
2 Paul Wiggin† 1975–1977 35 11 24 0 .314 — — — [14]
3 Tom Bettis† 1977[b] 7 1 6 0 .143 — — — [15]
4 Marv Levy* 1978–1982 73 31 42 0 .425 — — — [16]
5 John Mackovic† 1983–1986 64 30 34 0 .469 1 0 1 [17]
6 Frank Gansz† 1987–1988 31 8 22 1 .274 — — — [18]
7 Marty Schottenheimer 1989–1998 160 101 58 1 .634 10 2 7 UPI NFL Coach of the Year (1995)[13] [19]
8 Gunther Cunningham† 1999–2000 32 16 16 0 .500 — — — [20]
9 Dick Vermeil 2001–2005 80 44 36 0 .550 1 0 1 Maxwell Football Club NFL Coach of the Year (2003)[13] [8]
10 Herman Edwards 2006–present 48 15 33 0 .319 1 0 1 [21]

That is why Marty is still the standard when comparing current coaches he had the greatest winning percentage of all KC Chiefs coaches...a big reason he is not an "icon" is the 2-7 record in the playoffs

He was Special Teams and Secondary coach under Marty in Cleveland.

Cleveland Browns
1985
AFC Divisional Playoff
Dolphins 24, Browns 21 (Lost by 3 points)
The Browns led 21-3 midway through the 3rd quarter, but Miami then scored 21 unanswered points. The winning TD came with 1:57 left to play. I surmise that Marty tried to sit on his team’s lead, which lead to their demise.
1986
AFC Divisional Playoff
Browns 23, Jets 20 (OT) (Barely squeaked that game out with a FG in OT)
AFC Conference Championship
Broncos 23, Browns 20 (OT) (Lost by 3 points)
This game is best remembered for "The Drive" when the Broncos drove 98 yards to tie the game with 37 seconds left in regulation. The Browns then lost by a FG in overtime.
1987
AFC Divisional Playoff
Browns 38, Colts 21 (Good win)
AFC Conference Championship
Broncos 38, Browns 33 (Lost by 5 points)
This game is best remembered for "The Fumble" when Browns running back Earnest Byner fumbled at the Broncos' 3-yard line with 65 seconds remaining.
After the Browns only scored 3 points in the first half, they nearly made a miraculous comeback by scoring 21 points in the 3rd quarter and 9 points in the 4th quarter. Apparently the Browns had the firepower to score points, so where was it in the first half? My guess, Marty Ball wasn’t working in the first half, and like many times in his long career, he was forced to give the QB the keys to the car, after running it into a ditch, where the QB is forced to drive it like a Ferrari, and Kosar nearly bailed the team out.
Side note: Broncos lost by 32 points (42-10) against the Redskins in the Super Bowl
1988
AFC Wild Card Round
Oilers 24, Browns 23 (Lost by 1 point)
The Cleveland Browns were down 21-16 in the 4th quarter, when the Browns QB Pagel threw an interception that lead to an Oilers FG. This broadened the Oilers lead from 5 to 8. QB Pagel responded by throwing a TD to Slaughter towards the end of the game, which closed the gap to only 1 point. You might be asking "Why didn't Marty go for the 2-point conversion?" The 2-point conversion, unfortunate for Marty, was not added to the NFL rules until 1994. Marty Schottenheimer resigned on December 27, 1988, due to a dispute with Team Owner Art Modell.

Kansas City Chiefs
1989 - Did not make playoffs
1990
AFC Wild Card Round
Dolphins 17, Chiefs 16 (Lost by 1 point)
The Chiefs were up 16-3 going into the 4th quarter. Marty tried to run out the clock, but gave up 14 uncontested points in the 4th quarter, which led to another playoff loss for Marty Schottenheimer.
1991
AFC Wild Card Round
Chiefs 10, Raiders 6 (Won by 4 points)
Steve DeBerg's 11-yard TD pass to Fred Jones and a Lowery FG is all it took for the Chiefs to beat the Raiders, since the Raiders only scored two FG's.
AFC Divisional Playoffs
Bills 37, Chiefs 14 (Lost by 23 points)
The Chiefs got shut out in the first half. The two TD’s scored by the Browns in the second half were not nearly enough to overcome scoring 0 points in the first half.
1992
Chargers 17, Chiefs 0 (Lost by 17 points)
Shut out by the Chargers http://forums.chargers.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
1993
AFC Wild Card Round
Chiefs 27, Steelers 24 (OT) (Won by a FG in OT)
AFC Divisional Playoffs
Chiefs 28, Oilers 20 (Won by 8 points)
After scoring 0 points in the first half, and only 7 points in the 3rd quarter, the Chiefs had a remarkable change of pace by scoring 21 points in the 4th quarter.
AFC Conference Championship
Bills 30, Chiefs 13 (Lost by 17 points)
Chiefs got destroyed.
1994
AFC Wild Card Round
Dolphins 27, Chiefs 17 (Lost by 10 points)
The Chiefs scored 17 points in the 1st half, but in the 2nd half they turned the ball over twice and scored 0 points. So, while tied 17-17 after the 1st half, they ended up losing 27-17.
1995
Colts* 10, Chiefs 7 (Lost by 3 points)*
The Chiefs lost four turnovers and missed three field goals enroute to a loss. Considered one of the biggest NFL playoff upsets of the 90's. The Chiefs scored a TD in the 1st quarter, and did not score another point for the rest of the game.
*The Chargers put up a much better fight against the Colts in the AFC Wild Card Round, losing to the Colts 20-35.
1996 - Did not make playoffs
1997
AFC Divisional Playoffs
Broncos*14, Chiefs 10 (Lost by 4 points)
The Chiefs scored 0 points in the 1st half. They scored 10 points in the 3rd quarter, which gave them a 3 point lead going into the 4th quarter. In the 4th quarter, the Chiefs scored 0 points and gave up 1 TD, which lead to a 4th quarter loss.
1998 - Did not make playoffs

Not a head coach in the NFL
1999
2000

Washington Redskins
2001 - Did not make playoffs

San Diego Chargers
2002 - Did not make playoffs
2003 - Did not make playoffs
2004
AFC Wild Card Roud
Chargers 17, Jets* 20 (OT) (Lost by FG in OT)
*Jets lost to Steelers 17-20 in AFC Divisional Playoffs.
After employing a dynamic offense during the regular season, the Chargers turned into another team. They uncharacteristically became very conservative and predictable in their play calling. During the regular season they employed multiple WR sets and shotgun formations, but against the Jets in the playoffs, the formation of choice was the I-Formation. The Chargers lost by a FG in Overtime. Some Chargers fans are confused where the change of identity came from, while others are sure that it was from the head coach: Marty “Marty Ball” Schottenheimer.

2006
AFC Divisional Playoffs
Chargers 21, Patriots 24 (Lost by a FG)
After leading the team to a 14-2 record against a weak schedule, he had Home Field advantage guaranteed throughout the playoffs. Despite that, Marty failed in the playoffs again.
In week 17, Philip Rivers injured his ankle, and Marty continued to play him. After another one and done playoff loss, Rivers said that he wouldn't have been able to play another game anyways, due to his injured ankle. For me and others, it seemed like very poor judgment to continue to play an injured Rivers in week 17 with the playoffs clinched.
Due to pressure from the players, Marty agreed not to get involved with the play calling in the playoffs. He made critical mistakes anyways: throwing red flags that had no chance of resulting in an over-turned call; telling Cam, the Offensive Coordinator, to go for it on 4th and 11; and other bad decisions. The Chargers were given an opportunity to make a last minute drive to tie or win, but Marty had already used up the time outs by throwing red flags. Although Marty's role was limited, he was able to impact the team in a negative way.
The Patriots barely squeezed into the playoffs, making it as a Wild Card team.
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Borrowed those posts from a Chargers Fan.....