Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 5394005)

I think his scant praise for Herm was a way of firing Herm with class. That way when he lets him go it's not as obviously for incompetance and just because the organization is going in a different direction.

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5394600)

Two weeks is wayyyyy too long for Herm to stay (if he's going to be fired). The Senior Bowl stuff starts next week. If it gets done, it's done before then. I'd say tomorrow at the latest.

Originally Posted by lazepoo (Post 5395195)

Dude, wtf is your fixation on the senior bowl? Pioli will just make do with what he has until he's ready to make a move. He's probably sitting in a hotel room right now mulling his options and enjoying a hot cocoa.

In all seriousness, would you not take the time to assess the situation and figure out what you had on hand before hacking away like an American Psycho? He's too calculated an individual to just fire away without taking stock of just how bare the cupboard is compared to what's available, especially since he knows the importance of his first decisions here setting the tone and the possible implications that his moves will have on the chemistry between the coaches and the front office. The Senior Bowl is pretty insignificant on Scott Pioli's plate right now, so saying that he's gotta make the most important decision he's had thus far as a Chief (and possibly ever as a professional) because the senior bowl is coming up is completely irrational.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5395202)

isnt herm a senior bowl coach?

Originally Posted by lazepoo (Post 5395195)

Dude, wtf is your fixation on the senior bowl? Pioli will just make do with what he has until he's ready to make a move. He's probably sitting in a hotel room right now mulling his options and enjoying a hot cocoa.

In all seriousness, would you not take the time to assess the situation and figure out what you had on hand before hacking away like an American Psycho? He's too calculated an individual to just fire away without taking stock of just how bare the cupboard is compared to what's available, especially since he knows the importance of his first decisions here setting the tone and the possible implications that his moves will have on the chemistry between the coaches and the front office. The Senior Bowl is pretty insignificant on Scott Pioli's plate right now, so saying that he's gotta make the most important decision he's had thus far as a Chief (and possibly ever as a professional) because the senior bowl is coming up is completely irrational.

Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5395235)

I Think He needs Herm to get both sides of the story about the players and why they performed the way they did. If Herm says a guy didnt give effort that goes into account. If said player says Herm wanted him to play too close, far away, look at the QB's eyes, etc. that goes into account when he watches film and talks to other coaches. He also see's whos full of it or not pulling their weight. It just helps him make a more informed decision about everyone.

Originally Posted by greyhoodie (Post 5395240)

There is another very valid reason to give Herm hope he will be retained -- to get his help.

As SP indicated you can't evaluate a player unless you know what he was told. Me and you can watch a player and speculate he is playing too aggressively or too soft or missed or an assignment or made a bad pass or ran a route wrong. But unless we know exactly what play was called an the directions given to the player it is just a guess.

What ever your opinion of the overall talent of Herm is the fact is he know way more about the KC players at this moment than SP. If SP fires him on day one he has no shot at any of that info. If he interviews Herm for 16 hours over three days and then fires him he will have considerable more insight on the players he has to work with.

Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 5393878)

I read on here that it was 8.6.

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5393863)

Here's how the Patriots run their draft, generally.

1. they compile the usual, ridiculous list of all players coming out of college. They then SEVERELY whittle it down. Every player that doesn't fit their system gets kicked out, REGARDLESS of talent. They just ignore players that don't fit their system -- whether because they're a bad fit (that 285 lb DE that is too small for DE and too big/slow for OLB or whatever). It's my understanding that the Patriots "board" is much smaller than the average team.

2. Everyone left is graded. A point value is given.

3. Then they're sorted by grades.

4. Then adjustments are made and players are ranked based on team need and other factors. A CB and a OL might both have a hypothetical value of 6.8, but if we need CBs more than OLs, then the CB gets the higher ranking.

What is left is the draft board for the Patriots. It's VERY team specific. Player X, who was great at DE at College ABC, but projects at OLB for the Patriots, is graded AT OLB. They do not give a crap how good a DE he was. If they have serious concerns about him dropping back to cover, then he will get a lower grade. They do not give a rat's ass how he might do for some other team.

They obviously have some kind of system for figuring out what other team's needs/desires/draft history is, because that is important in trackign what other teams might do on draft day. They have moved up before to steal players that they thought might go very soon to a team one or two spots behind where they move up to.

On draft day, if the team has a number of players with very close grades left, and someone offers them a pick if they slide back a few slots, then they move back and say "well, out of all these 6.7 and 6.8 grades, we'll get one of them, and they're so even ti hardly matters."

If one guy is head and shoulders above the rest, and within a "few" ("few" being relative by round -- moving up 3 picks in the first half of the first orund might be more expensive than moving up by 10 picks in the third round) picks, then that guy is "sliding", according to their board. If they're worried another team might pick him up, then they will trade up to grab him, because he's much more valuable than whoever will be left at their original pick once it comes to them.

Originally Posted by greyhoodie (Post 5393978)

I think you left out a lot. As I understand it the Patriots also do an analysis of all current players and compare every draftee to who they would cut/bench to make room for him. While the Patriots don't draft "on need" the score assigned to a nose tackle would be based largely on how he compares to Wilfork and Smith. As Smith would almost certainly be cut to make room for a new nose tackle.

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 5393993)

I watched it this morning, and that last exchange you mentioned kind of bothered me.

Your take will hopefully shed some light.

It left me feeling like Clark is carrying a heavy hand over Scott, and Scott needs to get approval on everything. He actually said that, that Clark would know everything and be involved before anything was done. In fact, Scott kept looking over to Clark for approval signals on things he was saying.

Scott is the expert here, not Clark, Clark just has the money. Lamar sure never operated that way.