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Chiefnj2 01-26-2009 08:44 AM

Bring Thigpen back to compete. If he can play under center and continues to improve the Chiefs made a good find. If he can't improve then not much wasted.

FringeNC 01-26-2009 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 5427071)
Factoring in the staying healthy, he would lose, but if you are just going on QB performance during TC between the two, it isn't close. I have watched them both in TC.......but Brodie ended up having the body of a glass jar :doh!:

I don't think how a player, especially a quarterback, looks in training camp predicts how they well handle the pressure of an NFL game. There's really no evidence at all the Croyle can read an NFL defense, or make throws under pressure, so even if Croyle could stay healthy, he hasn't proven anything other than he has a good training camp arm.

DJ's left nut 01-26-2009 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 5426366)
Your post got me to looking at career QB completion% (Accuracy). Looks like the standard is about 62.5% give or take .5% for a really good QB. Breese, McNabb, Rothlisberger (sp?), Rivers, and Brady are all about 62%. Payton manning is 64.4% for his career and was only 56.7% his rookie year.

Anyway Thigpen was 54.8% this year. I am not a Thigpen lover nor am I a hater. If he earns a job he earns it, if not he doesn't. We should still draft a QB. I enjoyed his play about 50% of the time this year, 1st half mostly.

My thought is that the difference between 54% and 64% is completing 10 more attempts every 100 or about 3 every game he throws 33 times. Is it really inconceivable that he can't improve that much?

It's not impossible, it's just damn unlikely. That's the point I've been trying to make for awhile now. It's like plate discipline in baseball. One would think it's easy to coach up and work into a player and it just isn't. Guys that don't walk in the minors won't walk in the pros. There are some outliers (Jose Reyes), but not many.

Thigpen may be the outlier, but it's pretty unlikely. And those 3 completions per game are pretty huge when you consider those as 3 more first downs. Additionally, completion % is indicative of more than just how well he completes passes, it also speaks to where he puts them when he does. A QB with a higher completion % is also more likely to put a ball in a position to keep his reciever in full stride for YAC yards. More likely to connect on a deep pass, more likely to keep his guys healthy. It's more than just those 3 completions.

I don't see it happening. I'm still torn on drafting a QB at 3 b/c I'm not in love with either of the options (and Crabtree is a monster). However, there's no way we stop looking for a QB on Tyler Thigpen's account.

King_Chief_Fan 01-26-2009 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5427089)
I don't think how a player, especially a quarterback, looks in training camp predicts how they well handle the pressure of an NFL game. There's really no evidence at all the Croyle can read an NFL defense, or make throws under pressure, so even if Croyle could stay healthy, he hasn't proven anything other than he has a good training camp arm.

especially in a training camp led by Herm Edwards.

Chiefnj2 01-26-2009 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 5427113)
It's not impossible, it's just damn unlikely. That's the point I've been trying to make for awhile now. It's like plate discipline in baseball. One would think it's easy to coach up and work into a player and it just isn't. Guys that don't walk in the minors won't walk in the pros. There are some outliers (Jose Reyes), but not many.

Thigpen may be the outlier, but it's pretty unlikely. And those 3 completions per game are pretty huge when you consider those as 3 more first downs. Additionally, completion % is indicative of more than just how well he completes passes, it also speaks to where he puts them when he does. A QB with a higher completion % is also more likely to put a ball in a position to keep his reciever in full stride for YAC yards. More likely to connect on a deep pass, more likely to keep his guys healthy. It's more than just those 3 completions.

I don't see it happening. I'm still torn on drafting a QB at 3 b/c I'm not in love with either of the options (and Crabtree is a monster). However, there's no way we stop looking for a QB on Tyler Thigpen's account.

3 completions can be huge, but it doesn't mean it was always Thigpen's fault. I thought his accuracy was very spotty, but it doesn't help that the #1 WR on team was in the top 3 for dropped passes and other than Tony G there really wasn't a lot of help at the WR position.

DJ's left nut 01-26-2009 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5427123)
3 completions can be huge, but it doesn't mean it was always Thigpen's fault. I thought his accuracy was very spotty, but it doesn't help that the #1 WR on team was in the top 3 for dropped passes and other than Tony G there really wasn't a lot of help at the WR position.

If you're going to give him a pass for D-Bowe's drops, you have to also take away credit for any # of balls he forced in to TG that wouldn't have been caught by a mere mortal.

Thigpens pass catchers, on balance, did more to help him than hurt him. You take the good with the bad when it comes to that sort of thing.

And I haven't event gotten into the simplicity of the offense he ran.

I think you can say without hesitation that he was one of the 3 least accurate QBs in football last year. The stats can't be taken as gospel when viewed in a vacuum. However, when viewed in concert with his performance, it seems that the stats are pretty accurate. For every ball Bowe drops, TG makes a miracle. Ultimately it's fair to say that at least 1/2 his balls were not well thrown.

That's not acceptable and unlikely to change.


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