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ChiefRon 02-13-2009 12:09 PM

I posted this in the other thread, but there's only 5 gazillion posts about QB...

Funny how so many people are using the argument that he would be a reach at #3 while many mock drafts are going back & forth between Sanchez & Stafford being #1 overall.

Scouts Inc now has Sanchez rated as the best QB in the draft.

Chiefnj2 02-13-2009 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5487351)
It has nothing to do with how they "pan out." It has to do with their potential as a prospect.

There were more questions raised about Jake Long as a prospect than there were about Clady. Some argued that Clady was the better prospect.

There were a TON of people here that noticed how little the difference in talent was between these guys.

You are completely full of it. This board was full of people who despised Clady because everyone watched one game against Hawaii where he didn't look very good.

Just because a Jared Allen may emerge from day 2 of the draft doesn't mean that if you used a top 3 pick on a DE that ends up being a Pro Bowl player for many years, that you made a bad pick. If you draft the #1 ranked player at the #3 spot at a position for what most people would say is one of the 3 golden spots (QB, LOT, pass rusher) then you made a good pick. Just because somebody else ends up with a great value, doesn't mean you shouldn't have taken your player.

Chiefnj2 02-13-2009 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRon (Post 5487376)
I posted this in the other thread, but there's only 5 gazillion posts about QB...

Funny how so many people are using the argument that he would be a reach at #3 while many mock drafts are going back & forth between Sanchez & Stafford being #1 overall.

Scouts Inc now has Sanchez rated as the best QB in the draft.

That's why rankings at this point in time are a joke. Nothing has happened since the Rose Bowl to flip Stafford and Sanchez.

OnTheWarpath15 02-13-2009 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487379)
You are completely full of it. This board was full of people who despised Clady because everyone watched one game against Hawaii where he didn't look very good.

Just because a Jared Allen may emerge from day 2 of the draft doesn't mean that if you used a top 3 pick on a DE that ends up being a Pro Bowl player for many years, that you made a bad pick. If you draft the #1 ranked player at the #3 spot at a position for what most people would say is one of the 3 golden spots (QB, LOT, pass rusher) then you made a good pick. Just because somebody else ends up with a great value, doesn't mean you shouldn't have taken your player.

Again, you completely miss the point, or are purposely missing the point because you're the board's contrarian.

There were just as many, if not more people that despised Long because he was abused by Gholston. People thought he'd struggle with speed rushers, and that's still true - if you watched any Miami games they gave him help against speed guys.

This is how they were projected as pro's going in. Clady and Long were viewed equally in the eyes of many.

Anyway, I'm done arguing with you, because this is becoming a common occurrence for you. I'll wait until the next time you pop into a thread to remind us that Snachez will be a bust because Akili Smith was.

Should be within the hour, knowing you.

melbar 02-13-2009 12:26 PM

I know what your saying WP, but again unless you get a trade down partner your not getting a great player in the 2nd round. They picked the highest ranked player and he's everything they could have wanted. Some later guys also did well. Good for them. But the original argument that Long couldnt handle NFL DE's and wouldnt be a successfull LT isnt true.

Ryan and Flacco had comperable stats. Was Ryan a bad pick for the Falcons because Flacco had a great year too? Why didnt the Falcons just trade down and get a QB later in round 1? Thats the logic your using here.

Chiefnj2 02-13-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5487419)
Again, you completely miss the point, or are purposely missing the point because you're the board's contrarian.

There were just as many, if not more people that despised Long because he was abused by Gholston. People thought he'd struggle with speed rushers, and that's still true - if you watched any Miami games they gave him help against speed guys.

This is how they were projected as pro's going in. Clady and Long were viewed equally in the eyes of many.

Anyway, I'm done arguing with you, because this is becoming a common occurrence for you. I'll wait until the next time you pop into a thread to remind us that Snachez will be a bust because Akili Smith was.

Should be within the hour, knowing you.

You asked for an example of a top pick with one year experience who busted. I gave you Smith and now you are all butt hurt over it.

Just because I question whether Sanchez should be a top 3 pick, doesn't mean I'm the board contrarian. I can't help it if the Sanchezites are being extremely hypocritical and closed minded when it comes to the discussion on any draft pick other than Sanchez. Goose step or you are an idiot has been the mantra in the Draft Planet the last month or so.

melbar 02-13-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487450)
You asked for an example of a top pick with one year experience who busted. I gave you Smith and now you are all butt hurt over it.

Just because I question whether Sanchez should be a top 3 pick, doesn't mean I'm the board contrarian. I can't help it if the Sanchezites are being extremely hypocritical and closed minded when it comes to the discussion on any draft pick other than Sanchez. Goose step or you are an idiot has been the mantra in the Draft Planet the last month or so.


:clap:

Thank you. I'm tired of being told I'm a f---ing idiot or I need a bullit in the head for discussing anyone but Sanchez.

OnTheWarpath15 02-13-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487450)
You asked for an example of a top pick with one year experience who busted. I gave you Smith and now you are all butt hurt over it.

Just because I question whether Sanchez should be a top 3 pick, doesn't mean I'm the board contrarian. I can't help it if the Sanchezites are being extremely hypocritical and closed minded when it comes to the discussion on any draft pick other than Sanchez. Goose step or you are an idiot has been the mantra in the Draft Planet the last month or so.

I'm not butt hurt over it at all, it makes you look like a fool.

If Sanchez and Smith had anywhere NEAR the same level of talent, I'd be willing to at least listen.

But I have a hard time respecting someone's opinion who thinks the two are comparable. The ONLY thing they have in common is the college starts stat.

Even if they WERE comparable in talent, your argument is flawed.

History has no bearing on what will happen. You can't assume that just because past QB's have failed with limited college starts does not guarantee, or even should suggest that someone else will fail.

Different levels of talent, different sets of circumstances.

But please, keep up the good work. We enjoy hearing the same argument daily against him - it's the only one you have.

And FWIW, I'd be perfectly content with Stafford as well. Sanchez is just my preference.

ChiefRon 02-13-2009 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487396)
That's why rankings at this point in time are a joke. Nothing has happened since the Rose Bowl to flip Stafford and Sanchez.

You mean except the fact that they now have time to more closely study game film?

DeezNutz 02-13-2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRon (Post 5487480)
You mean except the fact that they now have time to more closely study game film?

That only took about 30 minutes b/c Sanchez only started 2 games. lolallarlarrazz.

It's not that I'm AGAINST the selection, it's just that it's risky. Risk makes me piss myself. This organization could regress (how, I have no ****ing clue) if it blows (not sexually, I think) the #3 overall pick.

ChiefRon 02-13-2009 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5487491)
That only took about 30 minutes b/c Sanchez only started 2 games. lolallarlarrazz.

It's not that I'm AGAINST the selection, it's just that it's risky. Risk makes me piss myself. This organization could regress (how, I have no ****ing clue) if it blows (not sexually, I think) the #3 overall pick.

Gimme a break, risk for this team? Anybody would be an upgrade over Huard/Croyle/Thigpen

melbar 02-13-2009 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5487491)
That only took about 30 minutes b/c Sanchez only started 2 games. lolallarlarrazz.

It's not that I'm AGAINST the selection, it's just that it's risky. Risk makes me piss myself. This organization could regress (how, I have no ****ing clue) if it blows (not sexually, I think) the #3 overall pick.

I'm in the same boat, but I keep getting dragged into the arguments against him because there is a croud that doesnt seem to acknowledge that there are some serious questions about him.

DeezNutz 02-13-2009 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRon (Post 5487496)
Gimme a break, risk for this team? Anybody would be an upgrade over Huard/Croyle/Thigpen

No, no. Risk, regression. Ruin reward.

Rhut, row.

ChiefRon 02-13-2009 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5487505)
I'm in the same boat, but I keep getting dragged into the arguments against him because there is a croud that doesnt seem to acknowledge that there are some serious questions about him.

Every prospect has questions. Peyton Manning had questions surrounding him.

**** that, I want a franchise QB, someone that wants to be the best and can will his team, our team, to victory.

His name is Sanchez.

But really, as long as I don't have to see another play being run by Thigpen or Croyle, at least that will be progress.

DeezNutz 02-13-2009 12:48 PM

Even when I type the phrase "draft a QB," a little bit or urine leaks from my hanglow.

If the prospect is a "can't miss lock," we should maybe consider him (or her). Maybe. It would be tougher to blow a "her."


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