Nobody's arguing that he's a good pick who lived up to his draft position...just that he's not a bust.

Yes, I would call a player a disappointment that succeeds in a lesser position than for what he was drafted. But a bust to me is a player that isn't starting or is staring but clinging to his spot out of the league in a few years.

Casey Hampton wasn't even a 1st round pick so let's not start skewing shit here.

Are you guys talking about the same Roy Williams?

A top 5 pick failing as a OT and then playing guard makes him a bum.

Hampton was, Rogers wasnt.

If I'm spending a top-5 pick on a running back, I want LaDainian Tomlinson, not Ricky Williams. Regardless of where he falls on the all-time yardage list, nobody is ever going to include his name in any historical running back discussion. Unless it's a bust discussion.

Keep in mind that this is the guy for which the Saints traded away an entire draft, and they got 3000 yards out of him. Total.

That's a bust if there ever was one.

Billy Ray, thats not the point of this thread.

That might be true for a player drafted in the middle or late rounds. We're not only talking first round picks, we're talking high first round picks. They're expected to produce at a high level.

Clearly you don't understand the difference between a bust and a disappointment.

If you go out with a girl you've heard is slutty and only get a handjob afterwords, that's a disappointment. If she orders the most expensive thing on the menu and then leaves with Tony Gonzalez, that's a bust.

Ok I confused him with the other fat guy from Texas....it happens.

That's not a bust. Ryan Leaf was a bust. Tony Mandarich was a bust. Todd Blackledge was a bust. Akili Smith was a bust. Cade McNown was a bust. Mike Williams was a bust.

A guy who will finish his career with 9,000 rushing yards and 60 touchdowns is not a bust.

Show me where I said he was a bust. What he is, is a goddamned disappointment.

Left tackle is one of the most important (and expensive) positions on the roster. Teams do not spend premium draft picks and high-dollar rookie contracts on players thinking "gee, it'll be okay if he fails at LT, we can just plug him in at guard". Guard is a position filled by mid- to low-round players and journeyman free agents, the highest-paid of whom don't make as much as Jake Long did last year in his rookie contract. A player drafted to play left tackle who ends up at right tackle is a disappointment. A player drafted to play left tackle who ends up at guard or anywhere else is a bust.

I'm not going to waste any more of my time arguing with someone who can't grasp that simple truth.

The Saints gave up the 12th pick, the 71st pick, the 107th pick, the 144th pick, the 179th pick and the 218th pick of the 1999 draft, AND the 2nd and 64th picks of the 2000 draft for Ricky Williams.

That's EIGHT picks for one player.

That's why he's not only a bust, he's one of the most monumental busts in NFL history. You can't even discuss him the same way you discuss other picks. Because a team traded their entire draft for him. You don't do that for a guy who gets suspended twice and spends a year playing in canada, a guy who only once in 9 years surpassed 1500 yards and/or 10 TDs.