Well, considering he was drafted in 1998 and they were back in the playoffs by 2004, I don't think it set them back too bad. Plus they got LT out of the deal.

The Chargers have won 3 playoff games since drafting Ryan Leaf #2 overall. We've won 3 playoff games since drafting NEIL SMITH #2 overall.

Let me rephrase that - what was the long-term value of the Ryan Sims pick?

So, to summarize, you have no opinion on who we should take at three, other than appealing to authority (a classic logical fallacy) but all you do is argue why we shouldn't take a QB at three.

You also offer no possibility in your list of chance that a pick at QB might succeed. There is a tacit admission that failure is the only option for a QB prospect, and yet you wonder why we think that your points are guided by fear?

I also love the Leonard Davis/Robert Gallery argument.

"Well he sucked as a tackle, so we'll just move him to a position we can find in the fifth round while paying him 50 million bucks."

I personally, think it's moronic to bash these QBs, assuming that they will bust without looking at them as prospects.

But hey, in the last week I've heard that Stafford is dumb, me-first, arrogant, aloof from his teammates, and not a leader. Yet scouts gush that he has great intangibles with a high football IQ and is a leader.

I've also heard that Mark Sanchez is a rapist, a series of racial slurs (thanks CoMo), stupid for hiring his brother as an agent (when that's a 1/4 truth at best), selfish, and that he's not as good as JD Booty.

Sorry if I'm looking for a higher standard of proof on why these guys will definitely blow.

HOLY SHIT.

HE AROSE

HE AROSE

THANK HEAVEN CHRIST AROSE

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The long-term value of the Leaf pick was a negative. He was a complete bust and he cost on the cap. Why is it so difficult for people on this forum to just admit obvious truths?

This is nothing but a red herring, as you must know.

For the Chiefs? Effectively, somewhere near zero. What does pissing away a #6 pick in 2002 have to do with people not wanting to piss away the #3 (those that think Sanchez/Stafford will be a bad choice) pick in 2009? Has anyone argued that there's a position with a 100% success rate?

Honestly would you like me to be nice to someone who says "Mark Sanchez is a rapist"

The point is, the Leaf selection barely set the franchise back AT ALL. And in the end, the selection of Leaf put them in a position to draft one of the best RB's of this era. To act like it was some kind of franchise-killing debacle is ridiculous.

What does pissing away a #2 pick in 1998 have to do with people not wanting to piss away the #3 pick in 2009? Exactly.

You constantly argue the inverse. That because it's not guaranteed that either QB will succeed that it's justified taking another less important position that has nearly as high of a bust rate itself (and times, higher), or has exponentially less impact on the football field.

We're going to cripple our already crippled team!

You know what happens if you miss on a QB, you take another damn shot at one, ask the Bengals and the Colts about that.

The reward can be considerably less, too. Personally, I'm not wanting "just a QB".

Stupid Mexican rapist with an idiot brother...who is also a rapist.

I could just imagine if we were the Colts or Bengals...the entire forum would have been screaming to not take Manning because of Jeff George, or Palmer because of Smith these are teams that actually missed on really high picks and had no second thought on doing it again.

I'm just gonna put this out there:

I don't give a shit if we finish 2-14 or 7-9. The end result is the same. Those five extra Sundays were we won mean nothing in the end.

Logic is obviously not your strong point. Defending the reasonableness of the "Not Sanchez" crowd requires me to point out why/how they're being reasonable. It doesn't require me to blow Sanchez.

Are you truly this stupid, or is it just an act? Leonard Davis didn't become a great tackle, but he's become a Pro Bowl guard. If Sanchez fails at QB, will he become a great running back? That you use a player who's become a Pro Bowl caliber guy as an example of a bust makes me question whether you actually do have any football knowledge at all. I may have insulted my dog with that earlier comparison.

Feel free to go back and look at my posts. I've never talked about Stafford regarding any of this stuff. Hell, I don't recall saying much about him other than noting his accuracy problems.

The rapist stuff is idiotic. The racial stuff is idiotic. The question about what hiring his brother demonstrates is valid, but because it goes to decision making, not because of arrogance or any of that nonsense. I've never commented on any selfishness (unless you want to call coming out before his coach thinks he's ready selfish), and Booty beat him out so that's a perfectly valid opinion for someone to have put forth.

The irony being that you don't require any standard of proof for arguments in the other direction.

At the risk of appearing to take "your side", there was a reason I came back.

While I was lurking as a bystander, I found myself constantly thinking to myself "I swear, it's like the CHIEFS drafted Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith."

It's like the last 25 years of Chiefs drafts have been completely forgotten.

I FULLY understand not wanting to draft Sanchez if you think he's going to be bust (and I do think there's a good chance he could be), but WHO ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO DRAFT? Curry? Monroe? Why don't we just skip the draft if we're not willing to take a risk?

We just got THE MOST COVETED GM prospect in ALL OF FOOTBALL. Why not DREAM A LITTLE?!?!?! :)

How many playoff wins has Leonard Davis participated in, by chance? There's a reason you don't draft OG and hand them $40-60M. You need that money for other positions and if you have that money wrapped up in a G, you can't afford a DE, or QB, or OT that you need to get over the hump.