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Mecca 02-28-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by redsurfer11 (Post 5541573)
Wow, do you always answer to peoples opinions cursing. Damn, get a life.

He didn't really cuss at you....it's just the way some of us talk, are you offended?

philfree 02-28-2009 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5541561)
Of course he acted that way, his non pass rush ability is the biggest thing that can drop him, if I was him I'd always say I could do it and it's no problem. It's millions of dollars...

Think of if this way, if you're running a 3-4 without a proper line you're LB's are going to get manhandled by offensive lineman.


What's that got to do with what Curry can or can't do with his skill set? You make it sound like it would be rocket science for Curry to rush the passer and that's just to far over the top. I don't have problem with drafting Raji though I just think Curry would be a good pick too. Honestly if Stafford is on the board and I can't get anyone to trade up for him I might just take him.


PhilFree:arrow:

Mecca 02-28-2009 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5541579)
What's that got to do with what Curry can or can't do with his skill set? You make it sound like it would be rocket science for Curry to rush the passer and that's just to far over the top. I don't have problem with drafting Raji though I just think Curry would be a good pick too. Honestly if Stafford is on the board and I can't get anyone to trade up for him I might just take him.


PhilFree:arrow:

If pass rushing was as easy as coaching I don't think you'd see teams like the Chiefs set a record for the fewest amount of sacks...or see DE's get paid like QB's.

I just don't like that argument at all pass rushing is something guys either have or they don't very rarely does someone develop it and if they do it's usually only to a passable level.

tk13 02-28-2009 11:54 PM

I'd agree that LB's don't normally get taken very high. But DT's don't either. There's only been one DT taken top 3 in the last decade or so. Six in the last 20 years. And that list is Gerard Warren, Darrell Russell, Dan Wilkinson, Steve Entman, Russell Maryland, and Cortez Kennedy.

philfree 02-28-2009 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5541590)
If pass rushing was as easy as coaching I don't think you'd see teams like the Chiefs set a record for the fewest amount of sacks...or see DE's get paid like QB's.

I just don't like that argument at all pass rushing is something guys either have or they don't very rarely does someone develop it and if they do it's usually only to a passable level.

The thing is that there is nobody saying Curry can't rush the passer. People like Mayock say he can do it and he's not the only one.


PhilFree:arrow:

Dayze 02-28-2009 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5541590)
If pass rushing was as easy as coaching I don't think you'd see teams like the Chiefs set a record for the fewest amount of sacks...or see DE's get paid like QB's.

I just don't like that argument at all pass rushing is something guys either have or they don't very rarely does someone develop it and if they do it's usually only to a passable level.

Hey, that's not fair. Vonnie Holiday and Eric Hicks were coached into sack artists.
:D

Mecca 02-28-2009 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5541607)
The thing is that there is nobody saying Curry can't rush the passer. People like Mayock say he can do it and he's not the only one.


PhilFree:arrow:

His 9 sacks in his college career and the words out of his own mouth say he's not a polished pass rusher.

Dayze 02-28-2009 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5541590)
If pass rushing was as easy as coaching I don't think you'd see teams like the Chiefs set a record for the fewest amount of sacks...or see DE's get paid like QB's.

I just don't like that argument at all pass rushing is something guys either have or they don't very rarely does someone develop it and if they do it's usually only to a passable level.


also, I don't know what the big deal is; Curry can beach coached. JFC, we have Crumrie.

:evil:

Mecca 03-01-2009 12:00 AM

I'm simply putting it this way, this team obviously desires to be a 3-4 team, the most important position in a 3-4 is a nose tackle, without it you'll get killed up the middle.

If people want to point to the Pats all 3 of their Dlineman are 1st round picks...

philfree 03-01-2009 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5541614)
His 9 sacks in his college career and the words out of his own mouth say he's not a polished pass rusher.

But there is nothing that says he can't rush the passer in the NFL. He has the tools along with his coverage skills and his ability to take on and shed blocks on his way to making plays.


PhilFree:arrow:

Mecca 03-01-2009 12:05 AM

No one knows if he has tools to rush the passer because he doesn't do it.

redsurfer11 03-01-2009 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5541577)
He didn't really cuss at you....it's just the way some of us talk, are you offended?

I'm not offended. But some of you need a Time Out. Do you think Pioli and his coaches, have already evaluated the talents of rushing linebackers. Maybe they think there is no talent there this year. Could be why they picked up Vrabel as a stopgap player. Was DeMarcus Ware a great pass rusher, or did he have all the physical skills?

Mecca 03-01-2009 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by redsurfer11 (Post 5541650)
I'm not offended. But some of you need a Time Out. Do you think Pioli and his coaches, have already evaluated the talents of rushing linebackers. Maybe they think there is no talent there this year. Could be why they picked up Vrabel as a stopgap player. Was DeMarcus Ware a great pass rusher, or did he have all the physical skills?

DeMarcus Ware was a defensive end in college that racked up double digit sacks so yea.

philfree 03-01-2009 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5541621)
I'm simply putting it this way, this team obviously desires to be a 3-4 team, the most important position in a 3-4 is a nose tackle, without it you'll get killed up the middle.

If people want to point to the Pats all 3 of their Dlineman are 1st round picks...

I do think Raji is a good pick for the Chiefs. Obviously I like Curry too.


PhilFree:arrow:

Sam Hall 03-01-2009 12:09 AM

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Let's either trade for Shaun Rogers or draft Ndamukong Suh next year. Suh could also play a little tight end


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