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If we had a rookie I would say dumb Waters and move on but adding Cassel puts us in a win quicker mode.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5544205)

If we had a rookie I would say dumb Waters and move on but adding Cassel puts us in a win quicker mode.

Herb Taylor

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5544158)

You should care about the cap because if we have two first round contracts tied up into the two OL positions left of center it means we have less to spend on the RDE, QB, #1 WR, RB, DTs and the other guys who are the prime movers for the team.

You can find a replacement for Brian Waters in the 4th round.

Would you rather roll the dice with BJ Raji, who plays the most important position on the D, and a 4th round guard, or Eugene Monroe and a 3rd or 4th round NT?

This is why people need to take positional value into account at the top of the draft.

Well, if you could find Waters' replacement in the 4th round why would anyone trade anything for him?

Also, I'm taking the long view that all of our problems will not be solved this year so I'm willing to suffer on with a lesser player at one position if we get a much better prospect at another position of importance. By the way, I view the Dline as slightly more important than the Oline (not much) but this draft seems to tilt towards O so I would take that into consideration, as well.

We certainly need a DE, as well, but I don't think many would be thrilled with Orakpo because, even though he may be the best prospect this year, overall, there are concerns. Somewhat similarly in my mind, there are LT prospects who are rated higher than Raji so, that is the thinking, there.

P.S. I would be pretty happy to have Raji, too. Just throwing out a possibility.

Guards aren't difficult to find and Waters is not Will Shields.

If he's going to cry then cya, hopefully we get a decent draft choice in return.

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Originally Posted by RedBull (Post 5543986)

For Brian Waters? A 32 year old probowl guard? you're probably gonna get a 3rd rounder. I think his value doesn't go anymore then that.

Then keep him. I wouldn't take less than a 1st. At all.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5544211)

Guards aren't difficult to find and Waters is not Will Shields.

Waters was an undrafted free agent

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5544211)

Guards aren't difficult to find and Waters is not Will Shields.

This.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5544209)

Herb Taylor

Do you really think he's strong enough to play that position? He's got good feet for it, but I just don't see him being stout enough at the POA against bigger lineman and the bull rush.

can anyone think of ol trades for comparison?

i'd love a 3rd, but that seems unlikely...maybe a 4th and a 5th

i guess i have no idea what a guard can bring...not much i would assume

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 5544214)

Then keep him. I wouldn't take less than a 1st. At all.

He's a dick. He needs to go.

Remember when he pulled some shit a few years back? Missed camp. No one knew where he was? Then it was reported that it was a "family" issue.

It turned out to be a contract issue and he was holding out.

He's thinks he's way more important than he is to the team.

Ship him out.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5544187)

Absolutely.

He's 32.

He's a malcontent.

Get what you can, while you can.

Waters is anything but a malcontent.
He's been a class act throughout his Chiefs tenure.
The new regime runners just rubbed him the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5544223)

Do you really think he's strong enough to play that position? He's got good feet for it, but I just don't see him being stout enough at the POA against bigger lineman and the bull rush.

It depends on what he's done in the offseason.

I see no reason why he can't muscle up for left guard before September.

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5544224)

can anyone think of ol trades for comparison?

i'd love a 3rd, but that seems unlikely...maybe a 4th and a 5th

i guess i have no idea what a guard can bring...not much i would assume

POS Welbourn was traded for a 2nd and 4th, but teams aren't that loose with draft choices any more.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5544228)

Waters is anything but a malcontent.
He's been a class act throughout his Chiefs tenure.
The new regime runners just rubbed him the wrong way.

Sorry, I disagree and posted just above you about him missing camp a few years back due to his "family" issues.

And personally, I think HE rubbed the new regime the wrong way.

Not the other way around.