ROFL yeah I got it...

Welcome nOOb. If you have an opinion, share it. No matter how hard we beat for it.

There will never be another lenny dawson it was a different era. It was nfl vs afl. The afl proved 3 yards and a cloud of dust isn't the only game in town. Thats why there will never be another lenny in terms of his epic hero status but there will be a super bowl winning qb for my beloved chiefs soon.

I think the 'system QB' thing is thrown around way too much. It's not a matter of 'system QB' versus 'franchise quarterback', it's a matter of 'good quarterback' versus 'bad quarterback'. Every quarterback is a system quarterback; every quarterback has a comfort zone, they all have a specific system that fits their attributes. Obvious physical requirements aside (if you can't make the throws you'll never be anything...) greatness comes mostly from intangibles like an ability to see the field and make the right reads quickly, and an ability to sense pressure and know when it's time to get the hell out of the pocket or throw the ball away. Regardless of what system a guy plays in.

If Cassel succeeds here, it'll be because he's good. And because they've put good players around him. And because the system elevates the play of all 11 guys. Because it takes all of that for a guy to become a franchise quarterback. It's like that with everybody, from Brees to Brady to Manning to Ryan to Rivers.

If he doesn't have those intangibles, than, well, no amount of system magic will turn a turd into a diamond.

He may not be Len Dawson, but that's not the real question.

The question is, could he win a SB if we had a defense as good as the 69 Chiefs?

Exactly. Based on one year he's shown he can get a good team 11 wins. He still has room to improve. He still has room to slide.

I don't think being a systems QB is a bad thing. IMHO, almost every QB is a systems QB. Montana was, Brady is and Cassel will likely be one also.

There's merit in what you're saying here. My interpretation, however, is that the franchise vs. system debate has become a euphemism for elite talent vs. above average/serviceable.

This is a more nuanced argument, but not wholly different, from the good/bad terms you use above.

Another way to look at it is " Is he a good enough qb to beat the best defense? at the time (which minnesota was when lenny played today could be the giants in the sb while matt is playing )
The 69 chief's defense was filled with HOF's but an average qb doesn't score enough points against minnesota to win it.

Another system QB who can't do jackshit without a Hall of Fame line blocking for him?

No thanks.

He won't put up greens numbers but I don't think it's a stretch to think matt could turnout better than green.

Ne never got the chance to do jack shit without a Hall of Fame line.

It looked bad for all few quarters it happened, but we'll still never know.

Uh, 2001?

That was more than a "few" quarters.

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You did? WTF is this, Christmas?

First year doesn't count... :-)