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Sweet Daddy Hate 03-08-2009 05:04 PM

I'm not going to necessarily question Pioli at this point and time, as it's too early in the game to do so.

That said, I will damn sure pull out the Scale of Judgment when the season is over. It's fair, it's right, and it WILL be done.

tk13 03-08-2009 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5566486)
Actually I think its perfectly okay to question Pioli, judging by the other teams hires from the Pats it looks like Belichick was the reason for the success. I'm still skeptical on him.

His assistant coaches, I 100% agree. However, the front office people so far have been successful. Atlanta had a great season this year.

That doesn't mean everything's going to go perfect, but we're a bit different than the Weis, Saban, Crennel, or Mangini situations. We at least got a GM and coach from the same tree, not a GM trying to pick an apple off the Patriots success.

New England's personnel people seem to know what they're doing... and while Belichick's assistants haven't done well, some of Parcells assistants (Belichick, Payton, Sparano) have done well, hopefully Haley follows in their mold.

Messier 03-08-2009 05:41 PM

I don't think the question is, is it ok to question pioli? Of course it's ok to question Pioli, but I ask question him for what? He's been here a month and a half, he's hired a coach and made what most consider a good trade. We're still over a month away from the draft. I don't need to know it's alright to question pioli, I just how you can yet.

Whitlock questions him because he isn't talking to the media. I don't know what fans have to question yet.

Mojo Jojo 03-08-2009 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 5566343)
There is a difference, but we are getting a lot of criticism, not questioning around here.

Questioning is "I have no idea what he's doing, but it's not fair to judge yet because he's just getting started and he's got a great record".

Criticism is any form of "Pioli = Carl Peterson" at this point. Whether it's masked as "Cassel = Bono" or "our New Carl Peterson" or "it is the same old song" or whatever.

And criticism at this point is un-fugging-reasonable.

I don't know your intentions,

jAZ...
I really do respect most of your posts. But you must be honest the Cassel "conference call" blew up in Pioli's face. Most posters here expect better because if we don't then it is CP ver.2.0 The media also needs to hold the Chiefs to a higher level than before.

jAZ 03-08-2009 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566599)
jAZ...
I really do respect most of your posts. But you must be honest the Cassel "conference call" blew up in Pioli's face. Most posters here expect better because if we don't then it is CP ver.2.0 The media also needs to hold the Chiefs to a higher level than before.

I miss the "conference call" reference. Maybe I'm missing something bigger. But I am certain it's far to early to judge anything.

milkman 03-08-2009 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 5566595)
I don't think the question is, is it ok to question pioli? Of course it's ok to question Pioli, but I ask question him for what? He's been here a month and a half, he's hired a coach and made what most consider a good trade. We're still over a month away from the draft. I don't need to know it's alright to question pioli, I just how you can yet.

Whitlock questions him because he isn't talking to the media. I don't know what fans have to question yet.

Here's a question.

Did he trade for Cassel because he thinks he's potentially the best QB option available, or just the safest available?

Did he hire Haley because he was the best candidate, or because he was so methodical in his evaluation of Herman ****ing Edwards that Haley was the only remaining viable candidate?

WilliamTheIrish 03-08-2009 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5566511)
I can't believe I agree with Whitlock. Yes, I'm a sports writer. People can rip the media all they want, but those same people enjoy reading the stories. The KC media is trying to fulfill your daily Chiefs fix. I don't like some of the people on ESPN, but the vast majority of sports writers do a good job.

Nobody is questioning the vast majority of sports writers. People are questioning the motives of a guy who criticizes other "electronic" media members (of which he was once a part, and of course, quit) that he deems unworthy, while trying to maximize his importance. People question a man who doesn't really do any reporting, he makes obversations. Hell, TMZ at least tells you up front they're are sensationaists.

Good luck with the career Sammy. It's a crowded field.

Mojo Jojo 03-08-2009 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 5566601)
I miss the "conference call" reference. Maybe I'm missing something bigger. But I am certain it's far to early to judge anything.

Because you may have missed it....

The Chiefs had a media conference call with Cassel; because he couldn't be there. However, during the call Matt said he was in the same building as the reporters and wasn't allowed to meet with them. The TV cameras ran down the hall a got footage of him leaving another room where he called from.

If Carl had done the same thing this board explodes. I just hope we don't give someone a free pass because he is the new guy.

Messier 03-08-2009 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5566604)
Here's a question.

Did he trade for Cassel because he thinks he's potentially the best QB option available, or just the safest available?

Did he hire Haley because he was the best candidate, or because he was so methodical in his evaluation of Herman ****ing Edwards that Haley was the only remaining viable candidate?

I don't know. He said with the Haley hiring that he wanted him for awhile. And pioli said when he was hired how much he liked Cassel, so my guess is he thought they both were the best available. Maybe I feel that way because I agree with both moves. I don't question the reason for either move, they both make sense to me. How do you feel?

beavis 03-08-2009 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5565774)
What does Pioli need to publically explain? He obviously loves Cassel - he gushed over him during the introductory press conference. He also said that the HC would be the voice of the franchise.

This article reeks of a pissed-off journalist who has been completely shut out.

This.

Whitlock D-U-N.

milkman 03-08-2009 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 5566619)
I don't know. He said with the Haley hiring that he wanted him for awhile. And pioli said when he was hired how much he liked Cassel, so my guess is he thought they both were the best available. Maybe I feel that way because I agree with both moves. I don't question the reason for either move, they both make sense to me. How do you feel?

I think it is very possible that Haley is a guy he had his eye on since he has history with him, but I believe that Cassel is the "safe" option at QB.

CupidStunt 03-08-2009 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566614)
Because you may have missed it....

The Chiefs had a media conference call with Cassel; because he couldn't be there. However, during the call Matt said he was in the same building as the reporters and wasn't allowed to meet with them. The TV cameras ran down the hall a got footage of him leaving another room where he called from.

If Carl had done the same thing this board explodes. I just hope we don't give someone a free pass because he is the new guy.

:spock:

Couldn't care less what his publicity policy is. Do what Peterson couldn't -- WIN -- and he's golden.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-08-2009 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5566636)
I think it is very possible that Haley is a guy he had his eye on since he has history with him, but I believe that Cassel is the "safe" option at QB.

Time( and the draft )will of course tell, but I see Cassel as the stop-gap/Bledsoe.


And I've seen nor heard anything so far to make me feel otherwise.

Messier 03-08-2009 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5566636)
I think it is very possible that Haley is a guy he had his eye on since he has history with him, but I believe that Cassel is the "safe" option at QB.


I guess Cassel is the safe pick in that it's more likely he will be a long term good starting Qb than anyone in the draft. Perhaps his ceiling isn't has high as either Sanchez or Stafford, but I'm willing to take that chance, but like I said I like the move and feel he'll be better than any QB in the draft.

Mojo Jojo 03-08-2009 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 5566642)
:spock:

Couldn't care less what his publicity policy is. Do what Peterson couldn't -- WIN -- and he's golden.

I'm just saying...the man has never won a game without BB or TB yet if he acts like Carl he is off-limits to this board. Be willing to question!!!!


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