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CoMoChief 03-10-2009 10:22 AM

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CoMoChief 03-10-2009 10:23 AM

All I know is that we better score 40 pts a game with the defense we have.

keg in kc 03-10-2009 10:24 AM

I'm sure they will use the spread. Probably a lot. I don't think it will be anything like the high school gimmick they ran last year, though. Unless Cassel gets hurt and they end up scrapping everything so they can simplify the scheme for the third stringer again.

Chiefnj2 03-10-2009 10:25 AM

Footballoutsiders.com

All About the System

Between new GM Scott Pioli and new head coach Todd Haley, I'd say that Cassel is actually in the perfect environment to make a real go of it. In his time working with Bill Belichick in New England, Pioli got a front-row view of Cassel's strengths and weaknesses. And when he helped the Cardinals to the Super Bowl last year as Arizona's offensive coordinator, Haley ran an extremely productive attack with a lot of shotgun sets. This is where Cassel will thrive.

In 2008, Arizona quarterback Kurt Warner threw 598 regular-season passes. 412 of them were in a shotgun formation. That's 69.8 percent of his attempts, which would have been high for just about any other quarterback -- except for Cassel. Of Cassel's 516 attempts in 2008, 405 came from the shotgun -- an astonishing 78 percent. Both the Cardinals and Patriots are used to shotgun, three-wide sets with three receivers, and Kansas City's use of the Pistol formation, with quarterback Tyler Thigpen last season, gave tight end Tony Gonzalez unprecedented opportunities that he could very well see again.

There are times when players go from system to system and lose whatever it was that made them great. Matt Cassel is fortunate in that he's going to a system that perfectly fits what he's done before. He would have been a question mark in a power offense, but Kansas City will take to the air, and they have the right quarterback for the job.

kcbubb 03-10-2009 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5569973)
Oh so it had nothing to do with Thigpens mobility and that he sucks from under center.

i'm sure that had something to do with it too. but most NFL QBs don't get hit as much as ours did in the pro offense that we ran. Cassel's jersey was much cleaner in NE than Croyles, Huards or Thigpens. An

I know Thigpen took some hits in the spread, but getting some of those lame duck hits behind center when you can't defend yourself seem much more prone to cause injury.

RustShack 03-10-2009 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5569980)
what OL free agents do you think that we are targeting??? I'm not saying that it can't happen. I just haven't seen any reason to believe that the Chiefs are going to sign any free agent lineman that we can believe are really going to make a difference.

If they don't sign some OL in free agency, how can we think that the offensive line play will improve???

Or it could be because teams don't let good Olinemen get away.

RustShack 03-10-2009 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5569998)
Cassel's jersey was much cleaner in NE than Croyles, Huards or Thigpens.

Wasn't Cassel sacked more than any other QB?

dirk digler 03-10-2009 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5569988)
Footballoutsiders.com

All About the System

Between new GM Scott Pioli and new head coach Todd Haley, I'd say that Cassel is actually in the perfect environment to make a real go of it. In his time working with Bill Belichick in New England, Pioli got a front-row view of Cassel's strengths and weaknesses. And when he helped the Cardinals to the Super Bowl last year as Arizona's offensive coordinator, Haley ran an extremely productive attack with a lot of shotgun sets. This is where Cassel will thrive.

In 2008, Arizona quarterback Kurt Warner threw 598 regular-season passes. 412 of them were in a shotgun formation. That's 69.8 percent of his attempts, which would have been high for just about any other quarterback -- except for Cassel. Of Cassel's 516 attempts in 2008, 405 came from the shotgun -- an astonishing 78 percent. Both the Cardinals and Patriots are used to shotgun, three-wide sets with three receivers, and Kansas City's use of the Pistol formation, with quarterback Tyler Thigpen last season, gave tight end Tony Gonzalez unprecedented opportunities that he could very well see again.

There are times when players go from system to system and lose whatever it was that made them great. Matt Cassel is fortunate in that he's going to a system that perfectly fits what he's done before. He would have been a question mark in a power offense, but Kansas City will take to the air, and they have the right quarterback for the job.

Sounds good to me. My only concern is when the weather turns shitty we need to be able to run the ball effectively.

keg in kc 03-10-2009 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5570006)
Wasn't Cassel sacked more than any other QB?

Yep. 47 to Roethlisberger's 46.

Fortunately he was sacked a less the second half of the season than he was the first half (19-28)

Hell, we got two sacks on that Patriots O-line.

keg in kc 03-10-2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5570012)
Sounds good to me. My only concern is when the weather turns shitty we need to be able to run the ball effectively.

You also need to be able to run the ball with a lead to burn clock. This is a familiar discussion in a lot of ways; same concerns we had with Al Saunders' system.

dirk digler 03-10-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5570021)
You also need to be able to run the ball with a lead to burn clock. This is a familiar discussion in a lot of ways; same concerns we had with Al Saunders' system.

When DV\AS were here we ran the ball alot and was successful at it. In Arizona they could hardly ever run successfully until they got to the playoffs. I guess that is the best time to get good at it.

Chiefnj2 03-10-2009 10:45 AM

If KC is going to use the shotgun for the majority of passes like AZ and NE did last year then they should give Leftwich a call and add him as the backup QB.

SAUTO 03-10-2009 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5570040)
If KC is going to use the shotgun for the majority of passes like AZ and NE did last year then they should give Leftwich a call and add him as the backup QB.

WHY? IMO thigpen will fill that role nicely

BigChiefFan 03-10-2009 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5570021)
You also need to be able to run the ball with a lead to burn clock. This is a familiar discussion in a lot of ways; same concerns we had with Al Saunders' system.

The HB Draw worked on occassion in that system.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-10-2009 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5569835)
Well, this sucks.... you guys took this WAY better than I expected. I was thinking I was going to get flamed big time. LOL.

I was expecting far more ingorant responses than I have gotten.

So you admit to starting shit-storm threads? You do you know.

So here's my response, and it's one I know you were hoping for:

"Oh golly! I sure hope they do, because it would validate both the spread AND me, Nonsensical Chiefs Fan, and I would be right, right, RIGHT"!

(For once). :rolleyes:


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