I find it hard to say nice things about someone who couldn't get even average level play out of a unit that had great talent.

ROFL THE "great talent" thing has been disputed by multiple people and yet you stick with it

Yea, Darnell Docket, Karlos Dansy, Adrian Wilson, Rolle, DRC all those guys just suck even though every one of them would be far better than anything we got...

no one has said they suck, just that most arent tier 1 guys, you act as though they have 11 should be probowlers who didnt make it because of coaching(yet the horrible coaches we have had for the last few years didnt have ANYTHING to do with some of our players sucking according to you:rolleyes:)

Usually having 1 top tier guy on each level should be enough to atleast be an average defense...

Even if you don't think those players are good they're better than where he had them.

but our defense just sucks right? nothing to do with the coaching, right?:rolleyes:

and once again you are twisting shit, i NEVER said they werent good, just not all tier 1 level players, most are tier 2 IMO

Uh what?

I'm going to stop talking to you, you're reading skills make me wonder if you are human.

WTF? i said they werent tier 1 you come back with "even if you dont think they are good" i NEVER said they werent good players, you act as though they are GREAT players, i dont feel that way, what did i not understand?

What the hell, my entire point is those players should not consistently be ranked in the 20's as a team defense like they were, so what the **** are you arguing?

If a guy can't get those players to atleast average what is he gonna do with guys who are worse?

MY POINT is that if the cards had great players(as you contend) on defense yet their coaches held them back why cant the same be said of the chiefs(another thing you have said, the chief players suck coaching didnt have anything to do with it)

The Chiefs have shitty players and shitty coaches....not to mention several of those Cardinal players have been to pro bowls and all pros.

God, just stop debating with Jason, people. He's reeruned. He'll respond to this post with another reeruned post of his own.

It's like beating your head against a brick wall. A reeruned brick wall. Made from reeruned bricks.

What defensive players on the Chiefs do you see as great?

Don't say DJ, cause that guy is a sack of limp dicks.

Flowers? Potentially. Dorsey? We sure hope.

STFU its funny how things change when its another team's players or coaches.