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SAUTO

04-07-2009 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5647727)

Same impact as Mayo - yes.

No single player is going to turn the team around. I'm not looking for this years #3 pick to turn a 2-14 team into an 8-8 team by himself. Sanchez or Freeman or Stafford aren't going to turn the team around by themselves either.

i wouldnt bet on freeman turning anything other than the freshmen girls at k-state around anytime soon

OnTheWarpath15

04-07-2009 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5647507)

I'm asking if Aaron Curry fans if they believe he will make the same impact that Derrick and LT did.

He won't even have the same impact as Patrick Willis, who was taken ELEVENTH in a very average class.

SAUTO

04-07-2009 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5647755)

Curry's position isn't worth a #3 pick but hes OK to reach for?

i thought about this last night. this year there might be NO ONE worth the three to us. so why not draft a guy who will help us the MOST? by the time he's ready for a 2nd contract we will know exactly what he is therefore we wont have to overpay to resign. and god knows we have plenty of money to spend right now(and i'm not sold on curry either, but brown????)

htismaqe

04-07-2009 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5647696)

htismaqe, how did you get swayed to picking a QB. I thought you wanted to hold your nose and pick Curry?

I'm not 100% sold on any course of action if we are unable to trade down. Today, I feel like taking a QB. Tomorrow, it will probably be different.

This draft just sucks.

kcbubb

04-07-2009 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5647773)

He won't even have the same impact as Patrick Willis, who was taken ELEVENTH in a very average class.

how was that an average class??? please tell me with the expectations at the time, not with production after the fact.

htismaqe

04-07-2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5647727)

Same impact as Mayo - yes.

No single player is going to turn the team around. I'm not looking for this years #3 pick to turn a 2-14 team into an 8-8 team by himself. Sanchez or Freeman or Stafford aren't going to turn the team around by themselves either.

Those 3 players, as QB's, have the CHANCE to turn around a team all by themselves.

Curry, on the other hand, does not, by virtue of the position he plays.

That's just the way it is.

htismaqe

04-07-2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5647739)

I wouldn't be upset at all if we took a QB. I would be upset if we reached for a OLB/DE who isn't worth the 3rd pick. You know Orakpo is the closest to #3 pick value out of the pass rushers. Maybe we just pick him.

PhilFree:arrow:

Orakpo played at Texas and should therefore be avoided.

htismaqe

04-07-2009 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5647776)

So you want a QB then? :)

DeezNutz

04-07-2009 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5647778)

how was that an average class??? please tell me with the expectations at the time, not with production after the fact.

4 elite-level prospects in that class, by my recollection: C. Johnson, Thomas, Landry, Peterson.

Chiefnj2

04-07-2009 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5647779)

Those 3 players, as QB's, have the CHANCE to turn around a team all by themselves.

Curry, on the other hand, does not, by virtue of the position he plays.

That's just the way it is.

Not true. No QB is going to be able to turn around the 32 defense, piss poor OL, poor special teams, problematic running game and at best average receiving corps.

melbar

04-07-2009 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5647773)

He won't even have the same impact as Patrick Willis, who was taken ELEVENTH in a very average class.

You're sure he wont have an impact, yet he's seen as a better prospect in the strongest LB class in years. You know something every expert doesnt?

SAUTO

04-07-2009 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5647783)

So you want a QB then? :)

i want whatever will help this team the most, if its a qb so be it. at least qb's hold their value. i just dont know if a qb picked at 3 will be worth as much if cassel blows up

SAUTO

04-07-2009 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5647792)

Not true. No QB is going to be able to turn around the 32 defense, piss poor OL, poor special teams, problematic running game and at best average receiving corps.

BUT good qb play will mask a lot of things

htismaqe

04-07-2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5647792)

Not true. No QB is going to be able to turn around the 32 defense, piss poor OL, poor special teams, problematic running game and at best average receiving corps.

John Elway did it.

I realize he's a singular instance, but he's still an example.

A QB has a CHANCE to turn around a team all by himself. An ILB in a 3-4 scheme doesn't.

Tribal Warfare

04-07-2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5647625)

Lawrence Taylor is arguably the best linebacker to ever play the position. No, I don't think Curry will have the same impact. Do you honestly think any player in this draft will be the best player at their respective position in the history of the NFL?

Look at the draft slotting LT was #2 and Derrick was #4, if your taking a player that high he better have HOF potential

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