There was no love of any kind involved in my situation. My father looked upon my existence as an 18 year contract. He was absolved of any further responsibilities in June of 1983.

He wasn't mean to me; he wasn't nice to me. He wasn't much of anything. He worked, he did his own thing, we rarely talked. In hindsight I wish he'd been harder on me, pushed me to work harder at school, take harder classes, get a job, prepare for life as an adult, but he didn't. He didn't care. He was just counting the days until I was no longer his problem.

People try to tell me that one day we'll patch things up. Or they try to tell me I'll regret it if we don't.

Those people are wrong.

Wow. That sucks Fraz.

If anything I wish my parents would have cared less.
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I dont know anyone who's been kicked out, but I heard alot of stories of it 30-40 years ago.

Cultures vary, but I still know some people 30+ still living with their parents. although, I know alot of them are just waiting for their parents to retire and move back, so they could take over the house.


Nowaways, people around my age are still living with their parents. It's now the norm to live with your parents at 25+, especially with this economy. Alot of teens these days just go straight to a part time job after high school. They go to part time school, in a community college. After 4+ years of bad grades and academic probation, they find a job at $12 an hour and just stick with it.

Different times these days, now that I look at what my parents went through. They were adults with kids and had their own house at my age now. I moved out when I was 23. Fortunately I just took over payments on a new house my parents just bought at the time. I dont have kids, and Im still doing the same stuff I did out of high school. My parents were alot older at 26 compared to me now. Mid twenties are still teenagers.

It is what it is. God knows lots of other people had worse. To his credit, he never abused me, I never saw him drunk, when I lived with my mom he never missed a child support payment, and when I lived with him I had everything I needed. He honorably fulfilled his contract; I'll give him that.

But somehow I think a shitty parent who at least cares would probably be better in the long run than a solid earner who doesn't.

Credit is due for providing, but there is a lot to be said for people who honestly work on developing the child emotionally and mentally. My parents tell me shit now that they did, how they handled situations, phrased their comments etc. When I was a kid with the intention of developing me emotionally. They could have babied me, made me figure out a way to deal with it, etc.

I don't know how well it worked because I don't know how I would be if they didn't, but I certainly appreciate the effort.
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I'm just moving out of my Mom's house, and I am 23.

I tried moving out once when I was 18, and that lasted about 5 months. I was making $6.25/hr and working 20 Hours a week back then.

I fail to see how anyone was ever able to move out of their parents house before they turned 21. Both of my Parents moved out of their Parents house when they were 18.

In San Diego, thats not happening. Rent for my 3 BR, 1200 SQ FT house is $1700...I couldn't even dream of that if I was 18.

Moved out at 19. Moved in at 20 or 21. Moved out at 22.

That's the short story.

If you didn't have the option of staying at home you would do what you had to do. At 16 I signed a lease using my brother as a cosigner on an apartment that was over these peoples garage. I had one room and a shitter and paid all my own utilities. I worked two jobs and never, ever could afford to go out but I did it any way.

Thats why your first apartment is a hole in the wall closet. I've been working since I was 13 and was able to get a work permit. I paid my own rent since 17. Worked 3 jobs at 18 but I had an apartment, a TV, and 2 vehicles. (long story - cheap cars)

I fail to see how anyone wouldn't strive to hit the world running as soon as they could.

Meh, I lucked out when I was 19 and stumbled into being a waiter...in Champaign/Normal I'd make $20-$25 on average and in Chicago I made sometimes $40 an hour...for mindless, easy, work that takes nothing but a hint of common sense to be good at.

The full time servers in Chicago at a chain restaurant were easily clearing $55K a year...plus, and I know this is shady, you only have to declare 10%...and often you'd easily clear that...so a lot of what you're making ends up being tax free.

I've always felt that way myself, I've never known anyone who could have they fun I had at that age if they had to check in with their mom.

I got my first job when I was 14. It was at the skating rink I grew up going to. They just couldn't work me after 5pm on weekdays or 7pm on weekends. Needless to say, it was more of a summer job working 2pm-4pm sessions everyday.

It's not shady IMO the govt will **** you every chance they get. Might as well get some back.

I've been doing some research on renting places out here.

The cheapest decent 1 BR place I would be able to find is around $850.

Making Minimum wage (which is now $8 in California), working at 40 hours a week, is $1387 a month (before taxes).

$1387 x .75 = $1040 (after taxes)

$1040 - $850 = $190

That leaves you $190 a month for everything else.

Its tough to do in San Diego, is all I'm saying.

I'd say it's like that everywhere. Sure, housing is cheaper here, but so is minimum wage.