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Hammock Parties 05-20-2009 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5780666)
He's a 30 year old running back with the mentality of a 5 year old.

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 5780676)
When he's not hurt.

He may be worth a shit, but he's certainly not worth his contract.

Thanks for introducing meaningless issues.

kcbubb 05-20-2009 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5780615)
If you decide you're getting your QB now, you are obligated as a franchise to put him in a good position.

You don't go get a QB then spend all your money and picks on defense, or that QB will fail.

It's why what the Lions did was stupid, they didn't put Stafford in a good spot either with their moves.

If you decide Cassel is your franchise guy you are obligated to put him in a situation that is atleast good enough for him to not get his brains beat in and shit on himself.

I really wish Detroit would have taken Jason Smith with the 1st pick and traded their 20, 33, and 137 for our #3 pick and taken Stafford.

They would be better off and so would we.

Mecca 05-20-2009 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5780681)
I really wish Detroit would have taken Jason Smith with the 1st pick and traded their 20, 33, and 137 for our #3 pick and taken Stafford.

They would be better off and so would we.

The Lions would have been fine currently if they would have made proper picks, they could have come out of this draft with Stafford, Oher, Britton and Jared Cook.

Sounds like a nice start for your young franchise QB, but no that's to logical.

Hammock Parties 05-20-2009 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5780678)
In comparison to what?

If you did a listing of RB's in the league where's he coming in at? 20th?

I don't know, man. Where do you list Tomlinson? That mother****er couldn't average 4 YPC last year. Neither could Willie Parker, Matt Forte, Ryan Grant, Marion Barber, Willis McGahee, Fred Taylor or Joseph Addai.

And yet something tells me you would have traded LJ for ANY of those running backs after the 2007 season.

You'll never, ever admit you're wrong about Larry Johnson. He bounced back in a way almost no one expected last year. But yeah, he's not worth a shit. Not at ALL.

kcbubb 05-20-2009 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5780689)
The Lions would have been fine currently if they would have made proper picks, they could have come out of this draft with Stafford, Oher, Britton and Jared Cook.

Sounds like a nice start for your young franchise QB, but no that's to logical.

I still think it would have been nice for them to have Smith and Stafford. We could have taken their current LT Backus in on the trade instead of the late pick. He could have started at guard immediately.

I think that would have been great for the Chiefs to have #20, #33 and Backus for the #3 pick.

But I agree that they should have done more for the offense. Maybe they are thinking that they can late Culpepper get killed this year and bring in another LT next year when Stafford starts. That is if they wait to start him.

MoreLemonPledge 05-20-2009 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5780697)
I don't know, man. Where do you list Tomlinson? That mother****er couldn't average 4 YPC last year. Neither could Willie Parker, Matt Forte, Ryan Grant, Marion Barber, Willis McGahee, Fred Taylor or Joseph Addai.

And yet something tells me you would have traded LJ for ANY of those running backs after the 2007 season.

You'll never, ever admit you're wrong about Larry Johnson. He bounced back in a way almost no one expected last year. But yeah, he's not worth a shit. Not at ALL.

Take away the Denver game (198 yds), the Atlanta game (121 yds because of a big run), and maybe even the Miami game (108 yds). Then what do you have?

He was wildly inconsistent and hurt last year. He's not great.

Mecca 05-20-2009 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5780706)
I still think it would have been nice for them to have Smith and Stafford. We could have taken their current LT Backus in on the trade instead of the late pick. He could have started at guard immediately.

I think that would have been great for the Chiefs to have #20, #33 and Backus for the #3 pick.

They probably didn't wanna pay that kinda money, either way they were still in great position to get their QB and fix their line and they didn't do it, that's why they're the Lions.

Mecca 05-20-2009 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5780697)
I don't know, man. Where do you list Tomlinson? That mother****er couldn't average 4 YPC last year. Neither could Willie Parker, Matt Forte, Ryan Grant, Marion Barber, Willis McGahee, Fred Taylor or Joseph Addai.

And yet something tells me you would have traded LJ for ANY of those running backs after the 2007 season.

You'll never, ever admit you're wrong about Larry Johnson. He bounced back in a way almost no one expected last year. But yeah, he's not worth a shit. Not at ALL.

So you are going to compare him to a bunch of guys who had bad years? To show you how much faith the Colts have in Addai they used their 1st pick on another RB.

That's the difference in teams, we keep running our declining pile out there, they replace him.

Hammock Parties 05-20-2009 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5780714)
So you are going to compare him to a bunch of guys who had bad years?

Matt Forte had an excellent year. So did a handful of those other guys.

None of them averaged 4.5 YPC.

I'm guessing Larry is REALLY going to make you eat crow this year. Unless he gets hurt. Which of course, is unlikely, because he's as durable as they come. Even after the 400 carry gauntlet.

MoreLemonPledge 05-20-2009 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5780720)
Matt Forte had an excellent year. So did a handful of those other guys.

None of them averaged 4.5 YPC.

Because YPC is the only thing that matters.

MoreLemonPledge 05-20-2009 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5780720)
I'm guessing Larry is REALLY going to make you eat crow this year. Unless he gets hurt. Which of course, is unlikely, because he's as durable as they come. Even after the 400 carry gauntlet.

Now I'm starting to wonder if you're even being serious.

Hammock Parties 05-20-2009 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 5780725)
Because YPC is the only thing that matters.

I'd say it's pretty important in judging a running back.

If LJ had averaged 3.8 YPC like LT I'm sure Mecca would be screaming at the top of his lungs about how washed up LJ is.

Mecca 05-20-2009 04:52 PM

I'm going to guess they all carried significantly more than he did since Johnson missed games and got to play in an where he carried less, so a couple of big runs skew his average..

Lets not bring up the 2nd halves of games when running would have been good and he had 1 yard carries.

Mecca 05-20-2009 04:53 PM

Tomlinson is ****ing old, he has a ton of wear on his body, he's declining just the same.

Hammock Parties 05-20-2009 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5780729)
I'm going to guess they all carried significantly more than he did since Johnson missed games and got to play in an where he carried less, so a couple of big runs skew his average..

Yes, damn Larry for breaking off those big runs.

Stupid mother****er! Stop skewing your average!

What are you going to say when LJ puts up 1300 yards this year?


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