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DaneMcCloud 06-24-2009 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5860850)
I'll shorten it for you then.

You say young players do not listen to veterans, therefore mentorship doesn't exist.

WRONG. There's direct mentorship, as when Tony G proactively met with Thigpen after every practice. There's followership, as when Cassel picked up Brady's work ethic by shadowing him. And there's indirect leadership, as when rookie QBs learn to think like veteran QBs and players start to practice like experienced veterans. And then you have guys like LJ throwing a shit fit when T-Rich isn't re-signed.
Wow. So, now you're going to dispute the words of Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks? You're going to dispute the actions of Trent Green and Mike Vrabel?

Did you become an NFL last week or something?

Reerun_KC 06-24-2009 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 5860342)
Nice signing, a big upgrade over mcgraw IMO
a ****ing drunk monkey is an upgrade over McGraw.... Other one of Herms brilliants moves..

Reerun_KC 06-24-2009 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5860368)
Not to single you out but I don't buy into this supposed "role".

Did you read Peter King's MMQB this week? There's a piece with Warren Sapp where Sapp unequivocally states that younger players do not listen to veterans. They blow them off, entirely. He saw it with the Bucs and the Raiders. He said Derrick Brooks has experienced the same thing.

Trent Green was pissed about the drafting of Brodie Croyle in 2006.

This whole "mentoring" thing is a figment of the imagination of the fans.

It just doesn't exist.
They all dream of that feel good story in the NFL...

RedThat 06-24-2009 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5860844)
Yeah, I don't agree with that wording.

Best signing? No. Good signing? I think so. High risk, high potential reward. If Brown is healthy, we have ourselves a star. If he isn't, we scrap him. And all the while, he helps us on special teams.

And by the way, I still can't stand the hate for Jon McGraw. Scott Pioli and Todd Haley, not Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards, decided that he was good enough to stay on the roster. It no longer has anything to do with favoritism. He's a decent backup and a great special teams player. I have no problem keeping a roster spot for a guy like that.
I don't know about star? Mind you, thats my opinion. I think he is definately a solid starter when healthy heads and shoulders far better then what we have starting at safety now.

I really hope he starts stays healthy and beats out either Page or Pollard I hope we didn't sign Mike Brown to play special teams. The other guys like Page, Pollard, or McGraw can do that job. Im only saying this because i feel safety position needs to be upgraded..If he can start, give us a solid safety for this year and next year we go into the draft and draft a safety then thatd be more to enough to ask for.

Mr. Arrowhead 06-24-2009 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5860874)
a ****ing drunk monkey is an upgrade over McGraw.... Other one of Herms brilliants moves..
true

DaneMcCloud 06-24-2009 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 5860911)
I don't know about star? Mind you, thats my opinion. I think he is definately a solid starter when healthy heads and shoulders far better then what we have starting at safety now.

I really hope he starts stays healthy and beats out either Page or Pollard I hope we didn't sign Mike Brown to play special teams. The other guys like Page, Pollard, or McGraw can do that job. Im only saying this because i feel safety position needs to be upgraded..If he can start, give us a solid safety for this year and next year we go into the draft and draft a safety then thatd be more to enough to ask for.
You're expecting way too much.

The guy hasn't been healthy since 2003. He's been injured every single year since and he's 31 years old. He was a free agent at this point for a reason.

I hope he can make some sort of contribution but your expectations are way over the top.

BarrySPAMAID 06-24-2009 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5860416)
Good spirit :D
This is what I do, thanks.

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5860441)
Well, if you like it, I might change my tune.

I bet Brown would be a lot better if Gunther was coaching him.
Oh shut up.....lol

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5860504)
Holy super optimistic bastard, batman
That would be me, you have been served.
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5860734)
Goodbye Bernard Pollard! Best signing of the off-season for the Chiefs
Bernard Pollard is going NOWHERE.
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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5860862)
I like this move. Guy is a play maker.
THIS RIGHT HERE. couldnt not agree more.

dirk digler 06-24-2009 02:06 PM
Good signing as long as he can stay healthy.

Anyone want to take a bet which happens first, Brown getting hurt or Clay getting laid?

Titty Meat 06-24-2009 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5860938)
You're expecting way too much.

The guy hasn't been healthy since 2003. He's been injured every single year since and he's 31 years old. He was a free agent at this point for a reason.

I hope he can make some sort of contribution but your expectations are way over the top.
You don't know what you're talking about. He played 15 games last season. He'll make more of a contribution then Bernard Pollard will. Pollard has proven he's not a good safety. Mike Brown is a play maker.

RedThat 06-24-2009 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5860938)
You're expecting way too much.

The guy hasn't been healthy since 2003. He's been injured every single year since and he's 31 years old. He was a free agent at this point for a reason.

I hope he can make some sort of contribution but your expectations are way over the top.
Hey I always hope for the best...thats just me

i didn't really see any other way we could've improved the safety position this year? There really wasn't much out there? And Brown is a pretty good option if healthy. it's a risk, but a risk that could be worth taking.

Yeah I know he has durability issues, but all you can really do as a fan is either be supportive upon this move, or look at the darkside down and not press upon your hopes...Id rather choose to focus on the sunny side up regardless whether this situation works out or not.

RedThat 06-24-2009 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5860981)
You don't know what you're talking about. He played 15 games last season. He'll make more of a contribution then Bernard Pollard will. Pollard has proven he's not a good safety. Mike Brown is a play maker.
I think Pollard can be a good safety in a more aggresive type of scheme, Page Im not so sure.

Titty Meat 06-24-2009 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 5861000)
I think Pollard can be a good safety in a more aggresive type of scheme, Page Im not so sure.
Pollard takes wrong angles to the football thats stuff you learn in pee wee. He also misses alot of tackles and is slow. I guess you could play him on 1st and 2nd down and Mike Brown on 3rd downs. Either way this was the best signing this off-season for the Chiefs.

DaneMcCloud 06-24-2009 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5860981)
You don't know what you're talking about. He played 15 games last season. He'll make more of a contribution then Bernard Pollard will. Pollard has proven he's not a good safety. Mike Brown is a play maker.
Oh, I don't, huh? If was so good for the Bears last year, why was he released? Why wasn't he signed by any team in the NFL earlier than June 24th?

And apparently, you missed this nugget:

Since 2003, he's played in exactly 36 out of a possible 80 games due to various injuries.

STFU

DaneMcCloud 06-24-2009 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 5860996)
Hey I always hope for the best...thats just me

i didn't really see any other way we could've improved the safety position this year? There really wasn't much out there? And Brown is a pretty good option if healthy. it's a risk, but a risk that could be worth taking.

Yeah I know he has durability issues, but all you can really do as a fan is either be supportive upon this move, or look at the darkside down and not press upon your hopes...Id rather choose to focus on the sunny side up regardless whether this situation works out or not.
As I said earlier, if he contributes, GREAT!

But expecting him to beat out the incumbent starter and have a Pro-Bowl like season after missing 44 games over the past 5 seasons (not including the playoffs) is tenuous at best.

Especially at age 31.

DaneMcCloud 06-24-2009 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5861011)
Pollard takes wrong angles to the football thats stuff you learn in pee wee. He also misses alot of tackles and is slow. I guess you could play him on 1st and 2nd down and Mike Brown on 3rd downs. Either way this was the best signing this off-season for the Chiefs.
Really.

Best, huh?

Better than Zach Thomas? Better than Bobby Engram?

If he's the "best", then this team will be lucky to win a single game.


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