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OnTheWarpath15 12-31-2009 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6394897)
Sure, I'll be happy to.

Better play from the LT, and the RT
Better running game
Better work at wideout when they are all together
Better play from the DEs
Better play from some of the linebackers


With the exception of Dorsey, every single thing you posted is bullshit.

Albert has regressed, O'Callaghan is no better than McIntosh.

The running game is not better, as shown in the stats. We're averaging 6 fewer yards.

Bowe has regressed severely, and Wade is no upgrade. Chambers, as I've said, is.

Dorsey seems to be growing into his new role, but Jackson looks abysmal, and the yards allowed numbers show the weakness of this team is the front 7.

Which leads to the LB's, who have been ****ing pathetic. Hali has shown he can rush the passer standing upright, but is still a huge liability against the run, just like the other 3.

But please, keep sucking off the Executive of the Decade.

DeezNutz 12-31-2009 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 6394975)
Well, it is not an easy slam dunk, for sure.

But from memory, Herm took the team from 2nd in the NFL on offense to 16 his first year, then made it all the way to 32nd before getting fired.

His defense actually got worse, and nobody expected that.

If you want facts on one guy, you have to look at them the same way on the other guy.

Lets see what happens now with a full off season.

I completely agree. Both have to be evaluated the same way.

The offense declined due to age and severe lack of foresight on the part of CP. This does NOT absolve Herm of all blame.

The defensive failings, however, are primarily at his feet, and they're reason #1 for why he's not here now. And this is a good thing.

Just Passin' By 12-31-2009 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6394953)
It's an indictment of Pioli's and his talent evaluating abilities, though he sure loves to place accountability every else except QB.

No, it's not. Again, this is where you complainers go off the rails. You've been blaming things on Cassel that aren't Cassel's issue. Frankly, while it's been somewhat amusing to watch the absurdities fly, it's been a pathetic display on the part of those making it.

Cassel isn't the running back corps that couldn't run the ball worth a damn for much of the season. He's not the wide receiver corps dropping record numbers of passes. He's not the offensive line that couldn't hold a block for more than 2 seconds for a fair part of the season. He's not the one who got suspended for 4 games, and it's not his fault that the TE position couldn't catch a cold in a room full of rhinoviruses.

Whether you and the rest of the complainers care to admit it, those things have an enormous impact upon how successful the QB can be, in immediate play issues, in follow up play issues, and in long term developments. A dropped pass on 2nd down means a longer pass needed for 3rd down, which decreases the success rate, a failed drive then means more pressure the next time, and so on down the road.

Cassel certainly hasn't been stellar, and he's not without blame when evaluating the struggles of the team, but some of you people have been morons on the QB issue since even before the season began.

Just Passin' By 12-31-2009 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6394978)
With the exception of Dorsey, every single thing you posted is bullshit.

Albert has regressed, O'Callaghan is no better than McIntosh.

The running game is not better, as shown in the stats. We're averaging 6 fewer yards.

Bowe has regressed severely, and Wade is no upgrade. Chambers, as I've said, is.

Dorsey seems to be growing into his new role, but Jackson looks abysmal, and the yards allowed numbers show the weakness of this team is the front 7.

Which leads to the LB's, who have been ****ing pathetic. Hali has shown he can rush the passer standing upright, but is still a huge liability against the run, just like the other 3.

But please, keep sucking off the Executive of the Decade.


Was Johnson running better than his replacement?
Are you claiming Albert is playing worse now that at the beginning of the year?
You're seriously claiming that McIntosh was playing as well as O'Callaghan?
Is the receiving corps as currently constituted a lesser group than what began the year?
You concede Dorsey and then make that idiotic statement about yards allowed as if it means something?
You think that Hali hasn't improved over the course of the season?


Thanks for showing just how much of an idiot you are.

HemiEd 12-31-2009 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6394978)
With the exception of Dorsey, every single thing you posted is bullshit.

Albert has regressed, is no better than McIntosh.

The running game is not better, as shown in the stats. We're averaging 6 fewer yards.

Bowe has regressed severely, and Wade is no upgrade. Chambers, as I've said, is.

Dorsey seems to be growing into his new role, but Jackson looks abysmal, and the yards allowed numbers show the weakness of this team is the front 7.

Which leads to the LB's, who have been ****ing pathetic. Hali has shown he can rush the passer standing upright, but is still a huge liability against the run, just like the other 3.

But please, keep sucking off the Executive of the Decade.

Albert and O'Callaghan are improving, and on the upswing. You know Albert has had to change in order to improve, and he is doing it. The whole offensive line has improved dramatically.


The running game is dramatically on the upswing, surely you see that. I don't give a **** what any numbers may say for the whole year, **** that.


Bowe missed four games from breaking the rules, sorry, it is what it is. I am thinking he will be a TE hybrid slot guy next year. Too bad he doesn't have
Tony to take the heat off of him anymore.

Tribal Warfare 12-31-2009 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6394992)
No, it's not. Again, this is where you complainers go off the rails. You've been blaming things on Cassel that aren't Cassel's issue.

Poor decision making which is due to his indecisiveness, that's my biggest gripe and his greatest flaw. The guy is 27 years old, a 5 year NFL vet this shouldn't be an issue.

HemiEd 12-31-2009 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6395018)
Poor decision making which is due to his indecisiveness, that's my biggest gripe and his greatest flaw. The guy is 27 years old, a 5 year NFL vet this shouldn't be an issue.

Yep, and the locking on to his receivers part. Just once I would like to see him hint at looking off a defender, just once.

Just Passin' By 12-31-2009 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6395018)
Poor decision making which is due to his indecisiveness, that's my biggest gripe and his greatest flaw. The guy is 27 years old, a 5 year NFL vet this shouldn't be an issue.

JFC.... he's got insufficient time to make a full read of the field because of the O-line. He can't throw to his tight ends, because they can't catch a ****ing thing. He can't throw to his wideouts without wondering if:

a.) They'll drop the ****ing thing

b.) They'll bother to make the effort if the throw's not perfect

c.) The receivers that have spent most of the season being unable to find separation will actually give him a window to throw into

and you bitch about indecisiveness? For ****'s sake, if you'd bother to actually look at the team from a reasonable perspective instead of just looking to bitch, you'd see where the issues are, how they impact in the long and short term, and where they'd lead to fallout that can't be dealt with until the offseason.

Shit, I'm not even a Chiefs fan and I can see progress on this currently awful team, but you clowns can't see a damned thing because you're too busy pissing and moaning about every little thing you can find, and it's largely because the team took an approach you didn't like, regardless of its likely long term success or failure.

You had to know the team would be bad this season. Why the **** would you watch week after week and just turn around and bitch about every ****ing thing? What the **** good does that do anyone? Looking at the negatives is fine when you're analyzing from an unbiased position and also looking at the positives, but you clearly aren't doing that.

Tribal Warfare 12-31-2009 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6395061)
JFC.... he's got insufficient time to make a full read of the field because of the O-line.

Bullshit, the line has greatly improvwed and he has had ample time to make a correct read, he's indecisive which has lead to sacks and INTs.

DeezNutz 12-31-2009 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 6395005)
The running game is dramatically on the upswing, surely you see that. I don't give a **** what any numbers may say for the whole year, **** that.
.

It's absolutely improving. So why did we waste so much time with Mr. 2.7 YPC?

Many on this board were saying that it was clear that LJ was NOT the best back in the pre-season. For example, milkman said this multiple times--so did OTW and myself, but, alas...

I don't want to hear about fumbles, since they're still a concern with Charles. What we're seeing is that what he brings to the game far outweighs his negatives.

Too bad Haley wasn't able to see this sooner.

milkman for HC.

Just Passin' By 12-31-2009 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6395069)
Bullshit, the line has greatly improvwed and he has had ample time to make a correct read, he's indecisive which has lead to sacks and INTs.

You continue to prove my comments about you correct.

Mecca 12-31-2009 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6395061)
JFC.... he's got insufficient time to make a full read of the field because of the O-line. He can't throw to his tight ends, because they can't catch a ****ing thing. He can't throw to his wideouts without wondering if:

a.) They'll drop the ****ing thing

b.) They'll bother to make the effort if the throw's not perfect

c.) The receivers that have spent most of the season being unable to find separation will actually give him a window to throw into

and you bitch about indecisiveness? For ****'s sake, if you'd bother to actually look at the team from a reasonable perspective instead of just looking to bitch, you'd see where the issues are, how they impact in the long and short term, and where they'd lead to fallout that can't be dealt with until the offseason.

Shit, I'm not even a Chiefs fan and I can see progress on this currently awful team, but you clowns can't see a damned thing because you're too busy pissing and moaning about every little thing you can find, and it's largely because the team took an approach you didn't like, regardless of its likely long term success or failure.

You had to know the team would be bad this season. Why the **** would you watch week after week and just turn around and bitch about every ****ing thing? What the **** good does that do anyone? Looking at the negatives is fine when you're analyzing from an unbiased position and also looking at the positives, but you clearly aren't doing that.

Ladies and gentlemen, Todd Haley posts here.

Tribal Warfare 12-31-2009 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6395073)
You continue to prove my comments about you correct.

What are those exactly? Please regale me

Mecca 12-31-2009 06:35 PM

Anyone and I mean anyone that is going to pimp the improvement of the running game, quickly answer why Jamaal Charles couldn't get on the field till Larry Johnson essentially did whatever he had to do to get off the team?

That situation right there should surely make everyone feel comfortable that the Chiefs are putting the best players on the field...

DeezNutz 12-31-2009 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6395085)
Anyone and I mean anyone that is going to pimp the improvement of the running game, quickly answer why Jamaal Charles couldn't get on the field till Larry Johnson essentially did whatever he had to do to get off the team?

That situation right there should surely make everyone feel comfortable that the Chiefs are putting the best players on the field...

I have not seen anyone give a decent answer to this question.

Fumbles.

That's the company line. Never mind that this is still an issue. Close your eyes and pretend it's fixed because otherwise it becomes increasingly difficult to believe that the people in charge know what the **** they're doing.


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