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DeezNutz 01-16-2010 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6449991)
and that's why Peyton Manning has never, ever, EVER missed a game? Ever.

???

Lets be honest...

and Tom Brady has always been very non-injury prone as well...

Some players just won't get injured...

Peyton Manning senses pressure better than any QB EVER and he doesn't take hits, and when he does, he knows when they are coming and he instinctively protects himself from injury.

Plain and simple.

Other than draining his knee last offseason...has he ever even been on an injury report?

The guy is a freak of nature. He has QB in his DNA.
He gets rid of the ball quickly, no question.

But Brady had gotten rid of it, too, before Pollard went into his knee. Just unlucky.

DBOSHO 01-16-2010 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6449983)
Lets be honest...

The Patriots win when they ask Brady to manage games...

The Patriots lose when they depend on Brady to win games.

Every single game the Colts play they depend on Peyton to win games.

Can anyone argue this?
someone please ban this guy. Jesus christ. Tom brady is a game manager now.

DJ's left nut 01-16-2010 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6449935)
Elway not top 5? You are about as ****ing stupid as Hootie and CoMo.
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No !@#$.

Anyone that doesn't have Elway in their top 3 isn't worth listening to.

Hootie 01-16-2010 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6449986)
The SB run would argue with this.

Manning did everything he could to give away two playoff games.
These two games you reference...

Did the Chiefs EVER, EVER, AT ANY POINT IN THAT GAME...make the Colts or Manning have to work for it?

At no point was that game ever in doubt for the Colts. So regardless of the final stat sheet...this doesn't count. This was an exhibition game if I've ever seen one...

and then...against Baltimore...

Again...Peyton was never even put to the test.

When the Colts finally needed him...he stepped up against the Patriots and they won on a beautiful 4th quarter TD drive by Peyton Manning and then he played well in the Super Bowl...

So I don't get this argument.

Just remember...for every "clutch" moment Brady had (and I guess we'll count his 20 yard scoring drives in the Super Bowls to set up 45+ yard FG's by Vinatieri)...I can also name a game in the postseason where he "choked"...

I can't believe that whole myth about Brady being clutch even exists.

Pushead2 01-16-2010 12:50 PM
Manning is a more natural QB than Brady no doubt.....but to say Brady is a game manager and isn't all that, well my friends...that is dumb..

DeezNutz 01-16-2010 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6450004)
These two games you reference...

Did the Chiefs EVER, EVER, AT ANY POINT IN THAT GAME...make the Colts or Manning have to work for it?

At no point was that game ever in doubt for the Colts. So regardless of the final stat sheet...this doesn't count. This was an exhibition game if I've ever seen one...

and then...against Baltimore...

Again...Peyton was never even put to the test.

When the Colts finally needed him...he stepped up against the Patriots and they won on a beautiful 4th quarter TD drive by Peyton Manning and then he played well in the Super Bowl...

So I don't get this argument.

Just remember...for every "clutch" moment Brady had (and I guess we'll count his 20 yard scoring drives in the Super Bowls to set up 45+ yard FG's by Vinatieri)...I can also name a game in the postseason where he "choked"...

I can't believe that whole myth about Brady being clutch even exists.
Yeah, scoring drives, plural, in the ****ing SB no less...tend to have that effect.

This reminds me of when people try to argue that Roethlisberger is NOT a franchise QB.

DBOSHO 01-16-2010 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6450004)
These two games you reference...

Did the Chiefs EVER, EVER, AT ANY POINT IN THAT GAME...make the Colts or Manning have to work for it?

At no point was that game ever in doubt for the Colts. So regardless of the final stat sheet...this doesn't count. This was an exhibition game if I've ever seen one...

and then...against Baltimore...

Again...Peyton was never even put to the test.

When the Colts finally needed him...he stepped up against the Patriots and they won on a beautiful 4th quarter TD drive by Peyton Manning and then he played well in the Super Bowl...

So I don't get this argument.

Just remember...for every "clutch" moment Brady had (and I guess we'll count his 20 yard scoring drives in the Super Bowls to set up 45+ yard FG's by Vinatieri)...I can also name a game in the postseason where he "choked"...

I can't believe that whole myth about Brady being clutch even exists.
So basically your saying its ok to let bad teams back in the game repeatedly.

Right.

Brock 01-16-2010 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KC111110 (Post 6449885)
All time great to me would mean top 3-5 of all time. I mean shit even Jim Kelly and Elway are in the hall, and they're nowhere near the top 5
That's a big pile of dumb right there.

milkman 01-16-2010 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pushead2 (Post 6449996)
Agreed, if the Bears didn't have Grossman that Super Bowl was thiers
He threw three interceptions to the worst defense in the league in the first round of the playoffs.

And I've pointed this out a number of times.

Manning, of all the great QBs of the last 20 years is the only one, other than Favre, whose playoff QB rating is lower than his regular season QB rating.

He, more than any great QB, shrinks in the face of consistent pressure.

It's why he could never get past the Patriots earlier in his career before their defense began their decline, and why he hasn't been able to get past the Chargers.

Hootie 01-16-2010 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6449995)
and bottom line, you can argue that Manning has only delivered once in the playoffs in the clutch when the game was on the line at the end.

Brady has delivered several times.
What has Brady delivered? I just find this funny...

He threw 1 TD pass in the entire postseason (if I remember correctly) the year they won their first Super Bowl...

I'm sorry...if it wasn't for the "tuck rule" and Adam Vinatieri...the legend of Tom Brady might not even exist.

Dude stumbles into a perfect situation, fools the majority of football fans, and now the stubborn ones can't just admit Tom Brady is a better game manager than playmaking QB.

What was Tom Brady when they won their first Super Bowl?

A game manager?

or a franchise QB?

Pioli Zombie 01-16-2010 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6449983)
Lets be honest...

The Patriots win when they ask Brady to manage games...

The Patriots lose when they depend on Brady to win games.

Every single game the Colts play they depend on Peyton to win games.

Can anyone argue this?
Yeah Brady was being a game manager in Super Bowl 38 when he threw for like 330 yards. And he was a game manager when he threw for 4,800 yards and 50 TD passes.
Hootie just drink a glass of milk and shut up.
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Hootie 01-16-2010 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6450011)
He threw three interceptions to the worst defense in the league in the first round of the playoffs.

And I've pointed this out a number of times.

Manning, of all the great QBs of the last 20 years is the only one, other than Favre, whose playoff QB rating is lower than his regular season QB rating.

He, more than any great QB, shrinks in the face of consistent pressure.

It's why he could never get past the Patriots earlier in his career before their defense began their decline, and why he hasn't been able to get past the Chargers.
ROFLROFLROFL

So QB rating is your argument here?

Did you watch the past two postseason losses by the Colts against the Chargers?

And you're saying Peyton Manning is the reason why they couldn't get past the Chargers? Somehow he didn't rise to the occasion?

Hahaha..

Hootie 01-16-2010 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6450015)
Yeah Brady was being a game manager in Super Bowl 38 when he threw for like 330 yards. And he was a game manager when he threw for 4,800 yards and 50 TD passes.
Hootie just drink a glass of milk and shut up.
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Well we can't argue that Tom Brady's Super Bowl performance in 2007 isn't one of the biggest choke jobs of all time?

Not only was a Super Bowl on the line...but a perfect season? And captain clutch turned in his WORST performance of the year?

Pioli Zombie 01-16-2010 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6450012)
What has Brady delivered? I just find this funny...

He threw 1 TD pass in the entire postseason (if I remember correctly) the year they won their first Super Bowl...

I'm sorry...if it wasn't for the "tuck rule" and Adam Vinatieri...the legend of Tom Brady might not even exist.

Dude stumbles into a perfect situation, fools the majority of football fans, and now the stubborn ones can't just admit Tom Brady is a better game manager than playmaking QB.

What was Tom Brady when they won their first Super Bowl?

A game manager?

or a franchise QB?
In 2001 he was a game manager. Since then he has been much more than that you putz.
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milkman 01-16-2010 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6450004)
These two games you reference...

Did the Chiefs EVER, EVER, AT ANY POINT IN THAT GAME...make the Colts or Manning have to work for it?

At no point was that game ever in doubt for the Colts. So regardless of the final stat sheet...this doesn't count. This was an exhibition game if I've ever seen one...

and then...against Baltimore...

Again...Peyton was never even put to the test.

When the Colts finally needed him...he stepped up against the Patriots and they won on a beautiful 4th quarter TD drive by Peyton Manning and then he played well in the Super Bowl...

So I don't get this argument.

Just remember...for every "clutch" moment Brady had (and I guess we'll count his 20 yard scoring drives in the Super Bowls to set up 45+ yard FG's by Vinatieri)...I can also name a game in the postseason where he "choked"...

I can't believe that whole myth about Brady being clutch even exists.
Again, how many times can you argue that manning has delivered in the clutch in the playoffs?

Once.

And yes, Brady has failed in the clutch, as well.

But regardless of the time and distance, and score needed, he has delivered more often, by far, than Manning.


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