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DeezNutz 02-12-2010 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6527613)
There is a bit of Sanchizination around here. I like him and think he's going to be a good quarterback. He made some really terrific reads and throws, but he also made some of the dumbest ass plays I've seen from a QB this year. Rookie. It takes several years though and I don't think that the Chiefs got anything different in Cassel other than a bit more maturity and understanding of the professional game. That was the one thing that Cassel had in his favor over picking a guy like Sanchez in the draft. Cassel had watched game film, practiced against NFL defenses, learned under Brady, and had a year of starting experience in the NFL. Sanchez was an unknown. Cassel was a known commodity. Is he a "franchise" quarterback. I don't know. There were too many questions stemming from this past season (horrible offensive line, changing the play calling/scheme at the start of the season, Larry Johnson, wide receivers who led the league in dropped passes, tight ends who couldn't run routes, etc.) to make any type of judgement call on Cassel. I'm pretty positive that he has done better with a whole lot less when comparing him with Sanchez.

With Weiss as the OC, and a full offseason of a set offensive scheme, I think that we'll see marked improvements in Cassel's game.

The problem that most people have around here is that they want "their guy" at the key positions. Cassel wasn't picked by the Chiefs. He was traded for. I think that's why there is such a support group for Albert and Dorsey. They were Chief's first round picks. They've got to be better because we picked them. I just don't think that either really translate to what Haley and Weiss and Crennel want to do in this offense. I hope they all work out though. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
Neither of these descriptions are fitting for our "franchise" QB.

He is a completely worthless bag of ****ing shit.

Saccopoo 02-12-2010 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6527626)
Neither of these descriptions are fitting for our "franchise" QB.

He is a completely worthless bag of ****ing shit.
I'm not saying he's Johnny Freakin' Unitas. He's not Jamarcus Russell either though. If you want to talk bags of ****ing shit, there's much better examples out there. He is what he is - a quarterback with good size and athleticism who throws a good pass that's not going to kill you with bone headed stupidity and bad decision making. He's not Elway or Brady, and I don't think anyone is trying to make him out to be either. He's a transition level quarterback that is playing on a bad team.

Quesadilla Joe 02-12-2010 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6527270)
It's amazing to me how much people here hate young QB's, and how they expect them all to be perfect straight out of college.

If you can't see the upside in someone like Stafford, Sanchez or Clausen, then frankly, you have no idea what you're looking at/for.
I don't see Peyton Manning in Sanchez or Stafford. Personally, I think Stafford has the most upside out of the three and I think Clausen is a douche like Jay Cutler.

Sanchez could turn out to be a decent QB, but I just don't think he is some can't miss QB prospect.

Quesadilla Joe 02-12-2010 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6527303)
yeah



...but you're a dumbass....
At least I have an opinion of my own... Unlike some people.....

Quesadilla Joe 02-12-2010 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6527584)
How the **** could anyone be stupid enough to argue that a rookie QB who got to the conference championship game has ****ing failed?

Mother of ****. :facepalm:
Matt Cassel could have taken that Jets team to the AFC Championship game. Sanchez was asked not to make mistakes and just hand the ball off and let the defense win games.

Sanchez didn't will his team to victory in the playoffs or anything.

the Talking Can 02-12-2010 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6527727)
At least I have an opinion of my own... Unlike some people.....
you don't have opinions....you have fanboy-idiot-gasms....you're literally the most embarrassingly stupid poster on this board, top 5 all time...

Quesadilla Joe 02-12-2010 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6527752)
you don't have opinions....you have fanboy-idiot-gasms....you're literally the most embarrassingly stupid poster on this board, top 5 all time...
What does Mark Sanchez have to do with the Broncos?

Kyle DeLexus 02-12-2010 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6527727)
At least I have an opinion of my own... Unlike some people.....

So this is your opinion and not movethesticks twitter opinion?

BossChief 02-12-2010 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6527270)
It's amazing to me how much people here hate young QB's, and how they expect them all to be perfect straight out of college.

If you can't see the upside in someone like Stafford, Sanchez or Clausen, then frankly, you have no idea what you're looking at/for.
A lot of underclassmen first round qbs have had "upside"

Give me an all time list of first round qbs that were underclassmen and we can all see the biggest list of FAIL in the history of stats and football.

Want to see a worse list?.. go look up first round qbs with 15 or less starts in college. Ill tell you this, you will see potential. LMAO

I think Sanchez is gonna prove to be the exception to that, but Im not so sure about Stafford. I still think he ends up as unspectacular. I could be wrong but I see a guy that will make a living throwing it up to Megatron and not a whole lot else.

DeezNutz 02-12-2010 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6527708)
He's a transition level quarterback
Completely agree.

Saccopoo 02-12-2010 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6527883)
I think Sanchez is gonna prove to be the exception to that, but Im not so sure about Stafford. I still think he ends up as unspectacular. I could be wrong but I see a guy that will make a living throwing it up to Megatron and not a whole lot else.
I disagree. Stafford showed some very good things this year. He forced a lot of passes, but he made some plays that were of the "Holy shit, I can't believe he made that throw!" variety.

The Lions are like the Chiefs - complete shit bag of a team in the first stages of deconstruction and rebirth under a completely new front office and coaching staff. You really can't expect much the first year in a situation like that. But he's got some good stuff and the ball is a laser. Whenever I watched the Lions, I saw a little bit of a young John Elway in his demeanor and the way he played. The potential is there.

BigCatDaddy 02-12-2010 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6527584)
How the **** could anyone be stupid enough to argue that a rookie QB who got to the conference championship game has ****ing failed?

Mother of ****. :facepalm:
He played in an AFC Championship game. Big F'n deal. Dilfer also wan a superbowl with a great defense and running game and he sucked. Sanchez sucked this year and had 1 good game in the playoffs. Again not saying he won't be good, but this season proved nothing either way. Dude has a 65 QB Rating on the year, Ryan and Flacco were both in the 80's last year. Their defense and run game are the reason they made it as far as they did. It had NOTHING to do with Sanchez. Maybe next year he bust out and makes you look like a genious, but not this year.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-12-2010 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6527934)
He played in an AFC Championship game. Big F'n deal. Dilfer also wan a superbowl with a great defense and running game and he sucked. Sanchez sucked this year and had 1 good game in the playoffs. Again not saying he won't be good, but this season proved nothing either way. Dude has a 65 QB Rating on the year, Ryan and Flacco were both in the 80's last year. Their defense and run game are the reason they made it as far as they did. It had NOTHING to do with Sanchez. Maybe next year he bust out and makes you look like a genious, but not this year.
Actually, Sanchez played really well in the first and third playoff games of the year, and he played very well in the second half of the divisional round game.

You know how many QBs have won as many games in the playoffs as rookies as Sanchez in NFL history? 1. You know how many have won more? 0.

Marginalizing what he did as a rookie is just ****ing foolish.

keg in kc 02-12-2010 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6528015)
Actually, Sanchez played really well in the first and third playoff games of the year, and he played very well in the second half of the divisional round game.

You know how many QBs have won as many games in the playoffs as rookies as Sanchez in NFL history? 1. You know how many have won more? 0.

Marginalizing what he did as a rookie is just ****ing foolish.
Sanchez had a horrible rookie season, the Jets two postseason wins came on the shoulders of the running game and the defense and it was clear that the staff went out of their way to protect him in both games. I thought he did have a pretty decent showing in the third game when the situation forced the team to be more aggressive. That's not to say I don't think he can or will be good down the road, but come on, let's not get out of hand heaping praise on the guy. He really hasn't done anything to earn it, not yet.

Mecca 02-12-2010 07:31 PM
If he was horrible, what's that make our guy? That's the problem with this...


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