Im not gonna read this whole thing. but im going to gloss over it as its gonna be the same old, same old argument...

By picking Okung we squander another chance to pick up a top of the line playmaker. Those chances dont come around every ****ing year and despite the recent picks the chiefs have had, unless we totally skull **** our picks (somewhat like last year :( ) we are not going to be picking this high again soon.

u dont take Okung because its a need (btw i dont believe it is, cause i think Albert will be fine), u take the value pick e.g. Berry, Clausen. Thus getting a true playmaker. After all its a playmakers league.

Ur argument is basically saying "Lets draft John Tait, when we have a chance to have a franchise qb or an Ed Reed type saftey..."

It most certainly screws over the chiefs cause u dont get that many chances to pick this high. So when u do ud better get value and add a top of the line talent. If ur always going to take the safe option (McClain, Okung, Jackson) ull end up with a mediocre team without enough talent to make any noise in the playoffs. Essentially its the 2003 chiefs again.

How can u say something like this and then go on to say:


are you ****ing serious? :eek: the only reason we are bad is the oline?? its one of the reasons sure but the way u act we're a guard and a tackle away from the playoffs.

Jeez mate, i somewhat valued ur opion before. i have my doubts now... :eek:

PFW is the only place I've seen Weatherspoon listed as a combine loser.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...ers-and-losers

OLB Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
For as well as Weatherspoon worked out on the field and for as much as his "character" is praised within the Missouri program, he has turned off a number of decision makers just as much with his outlandish, look-at-me, loudmouth personality and has been criticized for worrying too much about his image and post-football career aspirations before he has accomplished anything in the National Football League. "He never shuts up," one top executive said. "He was the loudest guy in the room for the bench press. He gives me a headache. I think he is full of (it). It's all about himself. I don't want him in my locker room."

Our bad o-line also paved the way for the 2nd best rusher in the second half in the NFL, and kept Cassel mostly on his feet.

And that doesn't shy away from the point that top Guards and Centers go off the board in the 2nd and 3rd round.

Rather than waste the pick on a LT in the #5, why not get 1 or 2 top-of-the-line interior linemen. That would improve the o-line just as much as bringing in Okung would.

and yet it's still just one draft pick

if that pick turns out to be a quality player it doesn't really matter what position they play and it will hardly wreck the franchise for years.

The only squandering to be done is to miss out on the premier left tackle in a draft. THAT's the chance that doesn't come around very often, because those guys are gone by pick 10, especially ones with the experience and intangibles and high level of play that you are getting from a guy like Okung. Playmakers are always available in the mid to late first round, especially at positions like safety, linebacker, tight end, running back, corner, etc. The three most important positions on the football field are, in order, QB, Rush End, and Blindside Protector. If you have a chance to take the best at one of those positions in a draft, you take it unless you have a top five guy at that position there already on your team.

I agree that Eric Berry has all the intangibles, and looks to be an excellent prospect, but he's not going to do as much for this team as Okung would in terms of providing high level of play at one of the top positions of need and importance. Safety is a luxury pick, and in passing on high level players at core positions for high level players at secondary positions is what will cost this team in the long run. And I'd even argue that Okung matches Berry in terms of physical abilities and intangibles and on-field production relevant to his specific position.

If Okung is off the board, I'd have no problem with the Chiefs taking Berry. They would be stupid not to. But if Okung is on the board, they'd be stupid taking the elite safety over the elite left tackle. However, like I've said, I seriously doubt that they get the opportunity to draft Okung as I don't see how any of the three teams in front of the Chiefs pass on him, especially when one considers that there will most likely be a run on OT's in the first round this year dropping the talent level at that position in the subsequent rounds substantially, while there will still be excellent prospects at safety in the second and subsequent rounds.

I really think that it is going to come down to Bulaga and Berry. If that's the case, I'd much rather have Berry.

It's not a playmaker league. It's having a very good quarterback, and protecting that quarterback league. It's having a defense that can pressure a quarterback without relying on blitzing. If you have those three things, you have a chance to win every single game. A good quarterback with good protection will beat a defense with elite level players at coverage positions like safety and corner almost every time.

Not at all. If you don't have a franchise level quarterback and have the opportunity to draft one, you draft one over every other position. If you have the opportunity to draft an elite rush end (and I mean ELITE) and you don't have one, you take him. And if you have the opportunity to take that elite left tackle and you don't have one, you take him.

And since you mention Ed Reed, there is a reason why he was picked at #24, Polamalu at #16, Bob Sanders in the second round - they are safeties. Guys like that are going to be there, and the Chiefs, once they build their core and give themselves a chance to get better, will have the opportunity to spend first round draft choices on that type of luxury pick. That's what makes good teams great - that they have solid players at the core positions and then supplement their teams with those "playmakers" at luxury positions. You don't build a team the other way around. (Raiders and Matt Millen's Lions are perfect examples of this - having highly skilled "playmakers" at secondary positions while ignoring the core.)

whoever that "top executive" is should be ****ing fired

Saccopoo opining about "luxury picks" when he's got a stiffy for drafting the luxury that is a LT when we already have one is an irony that, while I can recognize it, I cannot appreciate.

It's ironic that my first thought was "that sounds like something Pioli or Haley would say..."

Shut your mouth and do as I say, meat patty.

The true irony is that you think that we actually have a left tackle currently on the roster.

The Patriots won 0 Super Bowls with Wilfork as starter and one with Warren.

As their LBs and secondary aged, their defense declined precipitously.

We won't know for sure until Albert is afforded the opportunity to play the position for an entire season without the turmoil of having to learn a new system a week before the season starts. He certainly has the potential to hold down the spot. The same can not be said of the safety position.

Mike Brown was All-Pro. Until they shore up the NT spot, get a better ILB, get more pressure on the qb and have a better corner opposite of Flowers, it wouldn't matter if the Chiefs had Paul Krause and Ronnie Lott back there. A lot of people have this misconception that by drafting Eric Berry that the Chiefs all of a sudden become the Baltimore Ravens defensively, and it doesn't work that way.

I fully understand that both safety positions need help. But so does the offensive line, even more than safety does. Because we don't know for sure about Albert at the LT spot after two full years of starting at the position, regardless of the scheme, it's a red flag at this point.

so then Cassel and the rest of the offensive players get afforded that same opportunity before judgment?

Yeah, and Willie Mays could play a mean CF with the Giants. Tell that to the Mets.

Mike Brown absolutely killed this defense, as did Corey Mays. Berry would make a far bigger impact on this defense than anyone short of a true dominant NT would. Allowing him to play CF would give our SS more leeway to jump into the plays, it would lets our corners play more aggressively, it would even free the LBs up a bit knowing that they have more help back there.

Granted, Brown and Berry don't play the same position, but the theory holds true. One guy in your backfield that can cover for so many players while simultaneously making huge plays himself is immensly valuable.

But who cares? Clausen FTW!