Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6582189)

So, what you are saying is that a guy gets three years in the league, time in, not time started, and if they don't produce by that point it's okay to consider a replacement?

Okay. That's acceptable.

I'm completely off the Okung for the chiefs first round pick and switching my pick to Trent Williams for our new Right Tackle, as I see that as the next biggest position of need for this team, but I want you on the Matt Reynolds bandwagon for the 2011 Draft if Albert struggles again, okay?

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6582181)

You're comparing a rookie QB with one year of college starting experience to a 5 year vet with one year of NFL starting experience and trying to make some kind of point?

Originally Posted by Admiral Crunch (Post 6582196)

Sanchez has potential. Cassel is already maxed out.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6582227)

But yet it's okay to say that Cassel sucks when he played behind what many people consider to be the worst, or lowest performing offensive line in football and when his receivers led the league in drops?

Sanchez doesn't suck, even though his statistics say he does, because he's a rookie, but he's playing behind what most consider to be the best offensive line in football.

It's really going to be hard to get a consensus on this. Cassel sucks dog nuts, but his stats are substantially better than what many around here think is QBOTF material in Sanchez, because Cassel has an additional year of playing experience, but he plays behind the worst line in football while Sanchez plays behind the best line in football.

So, then, you feel that experience is more important and is a greater determining factor in grading a quarterbacks performance than the quality of players surrounding the quarterback, correct?

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6582231)

And why do you say that? Cassel has only one more year of NFL starting experience than Sanchez, is bigger, faster, and more athletic. I would think that Cassel has a lot more room to grow into the starting QB role, especially if they got him some protection and receiving help.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6582231)

And why do you say that? Cassel has only one more year of NFL starting experience than Sanchez, is bigger, faster, and more athletic. I would think that Cassel has a lot more room to grow into the starting QB role, especially if they got him some protection and receiving help.

Originally Posted by Sully (Post 6582265)

You must be an offensive sack sucker...

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6582141)

Obviously. And hate filled. What's the matter booby? Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?



So, you are happy to back the Carl Peterson/Al Grohl buddy pick of taking a guy who never played left tackle, but rather left guard and projecting that to the next level and think you are getting a future All-Pro? Okie dokie smokey! Or is it just that the guy was taken in the first round, so we never have to spend another first round pick on an offensive lineman as long as he's on the roster? Is that how you look at the roster from an evaluation perspective? That's awesome if you do. Then we don't need a defensive lineman or a linebacker by that logic, correct?



By Jove! That's exactly what you are doing! You are evaluating talent on where they were picked in the draft versus what they are doing on the field. Awesome sauce!



Don't forget that they also drafted a CENTER in the first round - the same first round as when they drafted the LT. They drafted two offensive lineman in the first round - of the same draft!!!! So, is it okay for us to draft another offensive lineman in the first round because it was okay for the Jets to do that? So, theoretically, it would be okay to draft a right tackle or guard in this draft because they took two OL guys in the first round.



No, no. Crying like a bitch would be what you are doing. You are having a wittle bitty temper tantrum, calling me all sorts of names and cap yelling and such. Take a deep breath, hold it in, slowly let it out...it's going to be okay.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6582538)

in other words, I'm right.....and they drafted mangold #29....what that has to do with anything in regards to our #5 pick is beyond me

Originally Posted by Okung's sac (Post 6582227)

But yet it's okay to say that Cassel sucks when he played behind what many people consider to be the worst, or lowest performing offensive line in football and when his receivers led the league in drops?

Sanchez doesn't suck, even though his statistics say he does, because he's a rookie, but he's playing behind what most consider to be the best offensive line in football.

It's really going to be hard to get a consensus on this. Cassel sucks dog nuts, but his stats are substantially better than what many around here think is QBOTF material in Sanchez, because Cassel has an additional year of playing experience, but he plays behind the worst line in football while Sanchez plays behind the best line in football.

So, then, you feel that experience is more important and is a greater determining factor in grading a quarterbacks performance than the quality of players surrounding the quarterback, correct?

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6582930)

I love it how every conversation with sac nowadays ends when I bring up the fact that a lot of elite LTs struggle in their second year.

He is yet to answer that question and I have asked him it at least 5 times.

Must not like the answer...

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6583087)

If you are happy giving Carl/Herm's guy one more year, then that's fine. We can draft Joe Barksdale with our first rounder next year and forgo any chance of a quality quarterback or receiver. Enjoy the safety if it makes you happy and think it's the best long term solution for the team. You've convinced me. I'll never post another pro-offensive line pick for this draft because you've made me see the light that Albert is elite and just needs another year in the system to finally have it click.