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ChiefMojo 04-18-2010 11:44 AM

That is what I don't get... why do some of you think just because we don't take Berry or Clausen that guys like McClain, Spoon, Thomas, etc. are garbage? There isn't much difference to many between Berry and Thomas. Some worry we would be reaching for McClain at #5, but if we trade back then it makes sense for McClain or Spoon. It isn't we are being cheap, we are getting players nearly equal of talent, but also adding another top of the line draft pick.

We have a lot of holes to fill and it isn't stupid to take Thomas/another early pick over Berry. Sure I want Berry as well, but Thomas isn't crap, but a VERY GOOD player himself.

milkman 04-18-2010 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 6683788)
Look at what Pioli has done in his first full year.

Haley
Weis
Crennel

Chambers
Weigeman
Lilja
T.Jones

LJ Canned

ALL Solid Moves

09 Draft, Tyson Jackson ? I think we'll be happy in the foreseeable future with him

There is absolutely NO reason to say Pioli isn't doing things right. You'll see a solid draft this year but people who think Eric Berry is Jesus just don't look at the big picture.

If I look at what Pioli has done his first full year, I fire his dumb ass, yesterday.

This offseason has been better than his first offseason, and season, but he has a hell of a long way to go to show me that he isn't just some dumbass that exemplifies the Peter Principle.

Mr. Laz 04-18-2010 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6683794)
Honestly, if we trade down and draft Taylor Mays I'll be thrilled. I think he'll be the best safety out of this class anyways.

/Ducks

OMG :banghead:


i just don't know what the hell you guys see in Mays.

dirk digler 04-18-2010 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6683772)
i think a coupon for a bill parcell's back rub and an italian sausage is all it will take....

LMAO I hope not I really want Berry. I wish Thursday would hurry up and get here.

DeezNutz 04-18-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6683731)
Good thing you jack off hogs for a living.

Having a Top 5 pick and only getting Thomas, Williams or Mays - and a 2nd and/or 3rd round pick to show for it - is criminal.

One of the funnier opening sentences I've seen in awhile.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-18-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6683804)
OMG :banghead:


i just don't know what the hell you guys see in Mays.

A genetic freak with no ceiling.

The Bad Guy 04-18-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 6683799)
That is what I don't get... why do some of you think just because we don't take Berry or Clausen that guys like McClain, Spoon, Thomas, etc. are garbage? There isn't much difference to many between Berry and Thomas. Some worry we would be reaching for McClain at #5, but if we trade back then it makes sense for McClain or Spoon. It isn't we are being cheap, we are getting players nearly equal of talent, but also adding another top of the line draft pick.

We have a lot of holes to fill and it isn't stupid to take Thomas/another early pick over Berry. Sure I want Berry as well, but Thomas isn't crap, but a VERY GOOD player himself.

Blah, blah, blah.

Thomas isn't close in my eyes to Berry.

I'd also be very very leery of Texas safeties in the NFL. Huff and Michael Griffin have been pure trash in the NFL.

You don't think we are getting cheap with this payroll? Really? Did you live under a rock the last year and a half?

So translation? We have a lot of holes to fill, but we need quantity instead of top quality. Thank you for repeating the constant mantra of Chiefs fans for the last 10 years. Who needs studs when we can have good players?

Rain Man 04-18-2010 11:47 AM

I guess I should say too that a trade down is fine if we absolutely sodomize some team that has a crush on a player. I recognize that there are some trades that simply can't be turned down because the odds are too good that you'll win. It's fine to go fishing for that.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-18-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6683794)
Honestly, if we trade down and draft Taylor Mays I'll be thrilled. I think he'll be the best safety out of this class anyways.

/Ducks

I was just thinking this. 2 months ago everybody was fighting over who was better Berry or Mays.

Now nobody talks about Mays and everybody wants Berry.

Who's to say which will be better Berry,Mays or Thomas. Nobody ****in knows.

Every year there is a player that gets so much hype ala Aaron Curry. Well Brian Cushing blew his shit away now didn't he.

If Pioli can trade down and get a solid player in the middle ala Tomas or Mays and pick up a 2nd rd starter then the Chiefs will be a better team.

Mr. Laz 04-18-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6683810)
A genetic freak with no ceiling.

football player > genetic freak

DeezNutz 04-18-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 6683798)
Apparently.


PhilFree:arrow:

LMAO.

It's a process.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-18-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6683815)
football player > genetic freak

But I think Taylor Mays is a football player. Keep in mind Laz, unlike everyone else here, I've been watching him play since he was 14. He's from my home town.

And hey, I'm not a pro. I've missed on plenty of prospects. Just my opinion.

Rain Man 04-18-2010 11:51 AM

I swear, if some of you guys were in Green Bay in 1959 you would've run Vince Lombardi out of town. You can't judge guys based on one year of history.

Ralphy Boy 04-18-2010 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 6683715)
What do you think about changing the layout to have one forum for non-football stuff (the lounge) and one forum for football and draft stuff (yet to be named) and getting rid of the draft forum?

I'm all for it. I could care less to filter out a bunch of threads that have nothing to do with football. Right now the first page threads in the lounge that aren't football related total total around 18 to 20. Football related 5 or 6.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6683785)
He's a good ILB. But given that ILBs have low positional value and that he's not what you'd consider elite, passing up on an elite player like Berry for him is stupid, unless you get tremendous trade value.

Our run defense is one of the worst in the league because we don't have a Nose Tackle that can take on 3 blockers and keep them off of the ILB. I still believe ILB is one of the least important positions in this defense. If Tyson Jackson and Dorsey improve and we get a legit Nose Tackle, between Demorrio, DJ, Mays, and Belcher, we can probably find a set of ILBs who do their job just fine.

I'm all for Dan Williams if we traded down with San Fran and I knew he would be there at 13.

DeezNutz 04-18-2010 11:52 AM

People, calm down.

This is an evaluation draft.


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