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OnTheWarpath15 04-27-2010 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6718692)
Aaron Rodgers and Brady Quinn fell into the early 20s...

Clausen fell to the middle of the 2nd round...

BIG DIFFERENCE...

Feel free to ignore the rest of the post.

And feel free to name the teams that had a desperate need at QB.

OnTheWarpath15 04-27-2010 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6718703)
So Weis...his head coach...praised him to scouts on all accounts yet he still fell to the middle of the 2nd round...

what does that tell you?

It tells me:

a) There were fewer than a handful of teams that felt they needed a QB.

b) That a few teams that we would all think needed a QB, KC included, made a mistake in passing on him.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-27-2010 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6718619)
So Bill Belichick has a pretty high opinion of Weis, no?

Belichick has a pretty high opinion of Pioli, no?

You really think of Weis was telling Pioli that he knew, 100%, Clausen was going to be as good as Tom Brady...that Pioli wouldn't have said, "ok, fine...we'll take him!"

You're an idiot.

A ****ING COLOSSAL IDIOT.

He was passed on...

FORTY-SEVEN TIMES

Clearly...

CLEARLY

The NFL does not project him to be a franchise QB...

What else do you need? Tim Tebow was taken ahead of him...he went 48th overall and no one even traded up to get him...they let him fall to the Panthers...

NO ONE wanted him.

Done.

Case closed.

STFU

Hootie, you're an evangelical of the Church of ****tardery.

Much like a religious nutjob, no amount of evidence matters, and no claim, no matter how well substantiated and logical, will budge you from your "faith".

You have no understanding of logic, as all of your posts are completely fallacious, contradictory, and the evidence is simultaneously insufficient, inaccurate, atypical, and irrelevant.

I can't imagine that you've ever taken a single course in critical thinking, argumentative writing, or logic at the college level, because the only thing you build your arguments on are what you believe.

Now, explain this one to me:

If the Panthers didn't really want Clausen that much, why did they call up to the Rams and try and trade up for him?

Hootie 04-27-2010 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6718704)
Feel free to ignore the rest of the post.

And feel free to name the teams that had a desperate need at QB.

Patriots
Bills
Dolphins
Redskins
Eagles
Cardinals
49ers
Broncos
Chiefs
Raiders
Seahawks
Ravens
Bengals
Steelers
Vikings
Panthers
Jaguars
Titans
Bucs

If any of those teams graded Clausen as a potential franchise QB, they could have all EASILY justified spending a 30-45 on their future QB...

Just like Chiefs fans claimed we should have done with Rodgers the year we drafted Johnson even though Green had a good 3-5 years left in him at that time.

Lzen 04-27-2010 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6718505)
What's going to be really fun is comparing Cassel and Clausen for the next 4-5 years.




Oh and I'm sure now someone will tell me to go become a Panther's fan.....

What if Cassel out performs Clausen in the next 4-5 years? What then?

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-27-2010 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6718703)
So Weis...his head coach...praised him to scouts on all accounts yet he still fell to the middle of the 2nd round...

what does that tell you?

That correlation does not imply causation and that depth at WR is not a linear relationship to depth at QB.

OnTheWarpath15 04-27-2010 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6718714)
Patriots
Bills
Dolphins
Redskins
Eagles
Cardinals
49ers
Broncos
Chiefs
Raiders
Seahawks
Ravens
Bengals
Steelers
Vikings
Panthers
Jaguars
Titans
Bucs

If any of those teams graded Clausen as a potential franchise QB, they could have all EASILY justified spending a 30-45 on their future QB...

Just like Chiefs fans claimed we should have done with Rodgers the year we drafted Johnson even though Green had a good 3-5 years left in him at that time.

Jesus Christ, this post reeks of stupidity.

Hootie 04-27-2010 11:56 AM

and by my count, that's NINETEEN teams that could have drafted Clausen...

If teams really thought he had franchise QB ability...and he slipped that far relative to their draft boards...

He had awesome value to 19 teams...especially teams where they already have a QB in place so he can develop for a few years a la Aaron Rodgers.

APPARENTLY...

No one thought he was who the "experts" thought he was, as evidenced by his fall to #48...

I don't know how else to explain it...clearly you morons don't understand.

The Franchise 04-27-2010 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 6718715)
What if Cassel out performs Clausen in the next 4-5 years? What then?

Then I'll admit my mistake. I've admitted mistakes in the past and I can do it again.

The same can't be said about the fans who will repeatedly come up with excuses for Matt Cassel.

If Sanchez or Clausen out perform Cassel over the next 5 years it will because of the teams around them....not the QB.

The Franchise 04-27-2010 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6718714)
Bills
Redskins
Cardinals
49ers
Broncos
Chiefs
Raiders
Vikings
Panthers
Jaguars

Those are the teams that could have taken Clausen.

You're an idiot for suggesting that the Bucs or Ravens need a QB.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-27-2010 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6718714)
Patriots
Bills
Dolphins
Redskins
Eagles
Cardinals
49ers
Broncos
Chiefs
Raiders
Seahawks
Ravens
Bengals
Steelers
Vikings
Panthers
Jaguars
Titans
Bucs

If any of those teams graded Clausen as a potential franchise QB, they could have all EASILY justified spending a 30-45 on their future QB...

Just like Chiefs fans claimed we should have done with Rodgers the year we drafted Johnson even though Green had a good 3-5 years left in him at that time.

I'm sure that the Bucs are going to give up on Josh Freeman after one year, the Redskins are going to come up and get Clausen with no picks from five through the end of the third round, that the Steelers and Ravens are going to give up on their QBs, the Bengals have one of the highest paid QBs in the league and a small payroll, the Titans' QB just took them to like 8-2 over the last ten games and the coach is coaching for his job, the Jaguars drafted Tyson Alualu at 10, FFS, the Dolphins are "sold" on Chad Henne.

Realistically, the argument that you should focus on is why San Fran, Buffalo, and Cleveland passed on him.

All would do a much better job of proving your point, but all also have rebuttals that need to be taken into account as well.

Amnorix 04-27-2010 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6718480)
And people will still believe that Weis didn't want him, and that Pioli really does listen to his coaching staff.

**** it.

Good luck to the kid. He landed in a pretty good situation. The only real concern is the possibility of a coaching change next year.

Just wanted to note that talking up Clausen to a friend who has a serious issue at QB isn't the same as saying that he likes him more than he likes Cassel. There's just no info on that.

If Weis came back to the Patriots and talked up Clausen to Fox, does that that mean that Weis thought he should be drafted to replace Brady?

OnTheWarpath15 04-27-2010 11:59 AM

ROFL

Hell, by that logic, there's 32 teams that COULD have drafted Clausen.

There are less than 5 that have a desperate enough need to use a high pick on a QB in one of the deepest drafts in recent memory.

You really need to take your meds, this is embarrassing.

OnTheWarpath15 04-27-2010 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6718728)
I'm sure that the Bucs are going to give up on Josh Freeman after one year, the Redskins are going to come up and get Clausen with no picks from five through the end of the third round, that the Steelers and Ravens are going to give up on their QBs, the Bengals have one of the highest paid QBs in the league and a small payroll, the Titans' QB just took them to like 8-2 over the last ten games and the coach is coaching for his job, the Jaguars drafted Tyson Alualu at 10, FFS, the Dolphins are "sold" on Chad Henne.

Realistically, the argument that you should focus on is why San Fran, Buffalo, and Cleveland passed on him.

All would do a much better job of proving your point, but all also have rebuttals that need to be taken into account as well.

Exactly.

But that doesn't help his argument.

The Franchise 04-27-2010 12:01 PM

The Redskins didn't have a 2nd round pick and they weren't taking Clausen at #4.

The Cardinals signed Derek Anderson in the offseason and were more than willing to let Leinart have his shot.

The 49ers passed....I'm assuming because they think that this is Alex Smith's final year to prove he can do it.

The Broncos drafted Tebow.

The Raiders obviously were fine with Gradkowski and then went out and traded for Campbell.

The Vikings have Sage Rosenfels (trade) and Jackson who they just re-signed.

The Jaguars didn't have a 2nd round pick and were obviously in love with Alulua (sp?).


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