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DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883789)
Some people can't survive without the government's help.

Shit happens.

We have morgues and cemetaries for just such a contingency.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6883792)
Shit happens.

Let them die? Really?

You would cast thousands of people onto America's streets and watch them die of starvation and exposure? Including elderly Americans?

Awful.

BigMeatballDave 07-16-2010 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6883511)
george w bush was the worst president EVER


yes, even worse than jimmy carter

They all suck the penis...

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883795)
Let them die?

We'll make more.

Some of them might even be useful.

sedated 07-16-2010 02:34 PM

Personally I have no problem discriminating against fat people who are fat because of their own habits. Charge them more for insurance (since they are probably just as expensive as smokers) and whatever else you want to do.

However, using BMI will cause as many if not more problems than it would solve. Its inaccurate in that it would punish the people the gov’t is trying to benefit – people who are in shape and workout. Muscle mass throws everything off. If it goes where a lot of people think it might go, Bruno deadlifting Buicks at Gold Gym every day will suddenly be considered obese and a health risk, pay higher premiums, and be discriminated against just like big Bertha stuffing her face with cheeseburgers at McDonalds.

Some people are overweight for other reasons besides their eating habits. If the gov’t is going to punish fat people, they need to make sure they are only punishing fat people, and broad assumptions based on the (intentionally) simplest formula known to man isn’t the way to do it.

Just Passin' By 07-16-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 6883746)
My solution is to stay out of people's personal business.

This

Bugeater 07-16-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 6883746)
My solution is to stay out of people's personal business.

Even when others' personal business costs us all money?

Just Passin' By 07-16-2010 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6883809)
Even when others' personal business costs us all money?

Other people's business doesn't cost you a dime, unless they're competing for your dollar in the same business. And that "cost" is known as competition.

RJ 07-16-2010 02:39 PM

So are you guys against the BMI being included in the EHR's or just against the EHR's in general?

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883795)
Let them die? Really?

You would cast thousands of people onto America's streets and watch them die of starvation and exposure? Including elderly Americans?

Awful.

We managed to go a couple hundred years without throwing the elderly out into the streets to die.

That's the problem with your concept of reality.

People really do help each other. Family members support one another. Churches do. Communities do.

This idea that the we need the government to intercede in our affairs to protect us from the streets filling with the rotting corposes of octegenarians is just garbage put forth by a government that wants you to need it. They need you to feel like they're your only option. How else to they justified these ever increasing power grabs?

And folks like you have bought into it.

Save us, oh mighty gubbamint, save us helpless masses!

Spare me. The nation managed to survive just fine without a massive Federal monolith telling us what we can eat and who we can ****.

I think we'll be alright...

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6883809)
Even when others' personal business costs us all money?

Doesn't have to.

It does because we've chosen to allow government to subsidize poor decisions.

Yet another example of us using the government to solve a problem that the government itself has created.

And yet another pretty easy solution...

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6883815)
We managed to go a couple hundred years without throwing the elderly out into the streets to die.

LOL

Are you saying America was a better place to live 100 years ago?

I think you are taking this to the extreme. The business world just wants to make money, so they're not going to solve the obesity problem. Expecting people to just magically become more responsible isn't going to happen, nor is the food industry going to change their ways.

The only remaining option is the government do something about it...saying that's a bad thing is just stupid. Where else is a solution going to come from?

People are fat in this country because the food industry dominates advertising and doesn't give a shit about keep people healthy. The only way to combat that is the government. So you either regulate the food industry, which would make everyone bitch and moan and would be wrong anyway, or you precisely target fat Americans with free weight loss, nutrition and exercise programs.

teedubya 07-16-2010 02:49 PM

With the new Health Care reform thing, this shouldn't seem as much of a surprise. This is just the start, IMO.

If you smoke or are fat... you are the new "3/5".

Just Passin' By 07-16-2010 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883822)
People are fat in this country because the food industry dominates advertising and doesn't give a shit about keep people healthy. The only way to combat that is the government. So you either regulate the food industry, which would make everyone bitch and moan and would be wrong anyway, or you precisely target fat Americans with free weight loss, nutrition and exercise programs.

People are fat in this country for a variety of reasons, and giving the government more power over people isn't the solution.

For that matter, it's unconstitutional anyway, although most people just ignore that pesky document.

Donger 07-16-2010 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883795)
Let them die? Really?

You would cast thousands of people onto America's streets and watch them die of starvation and exposure? Including elderly Americans?

Awful.

On the plus side, fat people provide more Soylent Green.


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