Who the **** would be playing qb for us right now then? Brodie? With this o line?

Bull ****ing shit, the entire purpose of the flea flicker is to; 1) give the QB some room to launch on a variation on a 7 step drop, and 2) launch downfield to WRs on burners, on the hope that either the WRs superior speed or a hitch from the DB reading run creates separation.


List for me the number of times in the HISTORY of the NFL where a flea flicker EVER resulted in the QB back up in the pocket, finding the checkdown and throwing into the line. Feel free to go back as far as you want.

I've been watching for 20 years, and seen my share of NFL Films, and had never seen it before Cassel.

Of course 30 yard hail Mary's to the less than inviting arms of the uprights had been a scarce tactic until recent, too.

If the CB doesn't bite on the fake, you don't throw the deep ball. That's smart on the part of the QB, and it happens. Brady's been in that situation numerous times in recent years. Your "throwing into the line" argument is the fault of the offensive lineman, who left the D-lineman disengaged.

dont need to watch it again. i already said bowe was open and that was where cassel was going with the ball. read all my posts.

and there was a lb who was running to bowe, but his back was to cassel and bowe beat him too. cassel threw the ball to bowe it just got knocked down.
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If it's single coverage, he damn well better throw the ball. Let the WR try to make a play...maybe get PI called...at the very least show the threat of the deep ball and stretch the field.

****, the last option can be just as beneficial as a completion, especially as the game progresses.

So I understand your assertion as clearly as possible, you are saying that Brady has not only run numerous flea flickers in recent years, but checked down on numerous flea flickers in recent years.

Since my best guess estimate is that teams average 1-2 flea flicker attempts a year, is it your position that NE runs an inordinate number of them in 'recent years' or that the general sense of 'numerous' and 'recent' are liberalized for the purposes of this discussion.

wow. no seperation from db to wr should mean no throw. he stepped into a throw to chambers and seeing him covered he held the ball then stutter stepped into a throw to the open bowe who was running a crossing route. the d line knocked the ball down.

is that a fair assessment? opinions?
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Wasnt one of Pioli's explinations for taking a safety at 5 and a nickle in the 2nd, that the league was turning into more of a spread/pass happy league? yet we're reverting back to a running club.

chambers had a defender contacting him and another about 3-4 yards ( in my estimation ) to the plays left. also on about the same yardline. so he was basically double covered especially by the time a pass would get there.
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you know what who gives a ****? the wr was covered, which if you would have watched the chiefs replay you would know. probably wouldnt make a difference though.

you are wrong. cassel made some bad plays but that wasnt one of them unless you blame him for getting the ball batted down. He made the right read.
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Give it up, Sauto; the man ain't The Man.:p

The central concern is this starting to look like, even if Weiss forced the issue and sent every single eligible receiver on a go route, Cassel would try to check down to to an O-lineman.

well if they were all double covered what would be the right play? (and i know its not possible but we arent really being realistic in this scenario)
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much has been said fairly and i havent said shit. but when its not fair or just totally off base ( such as here) ill say something.

cassel gets bashed for everything im surprised that he hasnt been blamed for page not showing up
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Serious question Jason... Do you really like what you see in Cassel?