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keg in kc 08-29-2010 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6962684)
The running game has not been "good" without Jamaal Charles in these games. It's been average at best. The yards per carry between Charles and Jones is HUGE.

The Chiefs offensive line is NOT good. They're not even average right now. The pass blocking is well below average and the run blocking is average at best. Charles makes the line look better, Cassel makes the line look worse.

That's been a point I've been trying to make for a couple of weeks. People get so locked on the love/hate for Cassel that you can't say a word about line play without somebody tossing out "more excuses for Cassel :rolleyes:". Reality is that the line just isn't very good. It wasn't good when Charles got all those yards the second half of last year - I can't remember the last time I saw a guy make as much out of nothing as he did in '09 - and so far this preseason it's not looking much better.

Hope to christ they gel in the next three weeks, although I know what the chances of that are.

chiefzilla1501 08-29-2010 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6962857)
Phil, no one wants to see Albert succeed more than me.

I have been on his bandwagon as a LT on this forum, or hell, anywhere, longer than anyone.

I was the first one anywhere, on here, the media, anywhere, that suggested he had the athletic ability to play LT.

If there's one guy who I want to succeed, it's Albert.

But I'm not going to close my eyes to the fact that he has not progressed from the end of last season.

That either suggests that he didn't work on improving his technique, or that he simply is not getting it.

I'd actually rather the former than the latter.

Or quite possibly that he's still warming up, like a lot of players are. His problem isn't that he has no technique or lacks it. He's not getting beat by pass rushers. He's not completely missing his assignment or blocking the wrong guy, as he was last year. He's not getting mauled or dominated. His problem right now is that every so often, he'll forget which technique he's supposed to use.

He's got to become more consistent and be able to hold his blocks for just a little bit longer, and he's got to get a better handle for what technique to use when. I think that's an entirely different problem than having poor technique. And it's one that could (maybe) improve with repetition and experience.

Ralphy Boy 08-29-2010 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6962941)

Hope to christ they gel in the next three weeks, although I know what the chances of that are.

I thought you were an atheist?

milkman 08-29-2010 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy (Post 6963170)
I thought you were an atheist?

He's doing a preventive prayer.

Doesn't want the christians to slay him before God.

chiefzilla1501 08-29-2010 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6962941)
That's been a point I've been trying to make for a couple of weeks. People get so locked on the love/hate for Cassel that you can't say a word about line play without somebody tossing out "more excuses for Cassel :rolleyes:". Reality is that the line just isn't very good. It wasn't good when Charles got all those yards the second half of last year - I can't remember the last time I saw a guy make as much out of nothing as he did in '09 - and so far this preseason it's not looking much better.

Hope to christ they gel in the next three weeks, although I know what the chances of that are.

The deal is that they are doing more enough for the offensive players to make plays. They've got holes and more weaknesses than strengths. But Cassel has more than enough time to throw and there are holes in the run game for RBs to run through, even if small. And it's not just Charles. They're doing it for McCluster too. They do it sometimes for Jones, but interior power blocking isn't what they're built to do. Albert, Lilja, and Wiegmann are all really good second-level blockers, which is good for the types of backs that we have.

I don't really know why we're hitting the crisis button on the o-line right now. Our running game's been outstanding this preseason and Cassel's had a chance to look at 1-2 reads on most plays without getting hit. What is it about our offensive line right now that people are so worried about?

keg in kc 08-29-2010 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy (Post 6963170)
I thought you were an atheist?

I'm equal-opportunity. I used to praise Elune when I played World of Warcraft, and I sometimes mention the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus.

keg in kc 08-29-2010 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6963179)
The deal is that they are doing more enough for the offensive players to make plays. They've got holes and more weaknesses than strengths. But Cassel has more than enough time to throw and there are holes in the run game for RBs to run through, even if small. And it's not just Charles. They're doing it for McCluster too. They do it sometimes for Jones, but interior power blocking isn't what they're built to do. Albert, Lilja, and Wiegmann are all really good second-level blockers, which is good for the types of backs that we have.

I don't really know why we're hitting the crisis button on the o-line right now. Our running game's been outstanding this preseason and Cassel's had a chance to look at 1-2 reads on most plays without getting hit. What is it about our offensive line right now that people are so worried about?

This is basically the way I feel about it, in a nutshell: if they're in an obvious passing situation, I expect Cassel to be hurried and/or hit, and if they're in a short yardage situation, I expect that they'll have trouble running the ball. I think the plays that they do make (and they will make some...) are going to have to be the result of scheme and playcall, because I don't think this is a unit that can just line up over the ball and do what they want to the defense. It is not a strong offensive line. They have not yet shown any ability to consistently pass protect, and while they're better with the run then they are the pass, I think Charles' uncanny tendency to generate yards after contact creates a kind of mirage as far as their ability to run block goes. I think Jones' numbers (right now @ 3 ypc) are more indicative of the line's quality.

That's what I've seen. Maybe I'm jaded. Maybe I expect too much. But I just don't feel good about the line at this point.

I also don't feel good about the quarterback, either. Which for me is a separate issue.

I hope in a month I look like an idiot for being at all concerned.

chiefzilla1501 08-29-2010 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6963279)
This is basically the way I feel about it, in a nutshell: if they're in an obvious passing situation, I expect Cassel to be hurried and/or hit, and if they're in a short yardage situation, I expect that they'll have trouble running the ball. I think the plays that they do make (and they will make some...) are going to have to be the result of scheme and playcall, because I don't think this is a unit that can just line up over the ball and do what they want to the defense. It is not a strong offensive line. They have not yet shown any ability to consistently pass protect, and while they're better with the run then they are the pass, I think Charles' uncanny tendency to generate yards after contact creates a kind of mirage as far as their ability to run block goes. I think Jones' numbers (right now @ 3 ypc) are more indicative of the line's quality.

Those are good points and concerns. I still believe Cassel is a LOT more responsible for pass protection problems than the other way around. He doesn't find hot reads. He doesn't know how to move around in the pocket to buy time. The only way to protect him is to have a perfect pocket, and no o-line should be expected to do that every play of the game. The line isn't great, but they have been pretty consistent this preseason in giving Cassel his one or two reads. When Cassel can't find a read, he needs to learn how to extend the play. Sadly, he probably never will. The o-line could be much better particularly in the middle, but I don't see them as a liability.

As for Jones, I don't think the line is suited for him. I think he's there moreso to be a big body option. This o-line is built to block on the second level. Lilja and Albert are terrific second level blockers. Wiegmann's good too. And Waters isn't half bad. They're not great power blockers and can get outmatched, but in terms of blocking for speed backs, our line is actually very well built to do it. That's why Charles and McCluster are thriving and Jones is not.

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That's what I've seen. Maybe I'm jaded. Maybe I expect too much. But I just don't feel good about the line at this point.

I also don't feel good about the quarterback, either. Which for me is a separate issue.

I hope in a month I look like an idiot for being at all concerned.
We need major upgrades. We need a Center with a little more balance (but athleticism should be the bigger priority). We need a RT with the same credentials. And we need Asamoah to eventually start. But they're going to be good run blockers for Charles/McCluster and they're adequate enough to get some momentum in the passing game, if only we had a QB who made them better instead of making them worse.


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